Chocolate or Black in a Pils? - Home Brew Forums

Register Now!
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Recipes/Ingredients > Chocolate or Black in a Pils?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-08-2007, 07:47 PM   #1
Glibbidy
 
Glibbidy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Oct 2005
Sunny Southern Vermont
Posts: 2,369
Liked 15 Times on 14 Posts



I'm in the process of designing a black Pilsener. Ideally My reasearch says Carafa III would be the way to go. What if you didn't have Carafa III. How much black or chocolate would you use with without going overboard?


 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 07:53 PM   #2
Funkenjaeger
 
Funkenjaeger's Avatar
Recipes 
 
May 2007
Nashua, NH
Posts: 1,598
Liked 9 Times on 7 Posts


I thought the whole point of carafa III in a black pils was that it was de-husked so it added color without roast flavor? Black or chocolate would be different...

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 07:55 PM   #3
Orfy
For the love of beer!
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
Orfy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Sep 2005
Cheshire, England
Posts: 11,732
Liked 94 Times on 62 Posts


I'd be careful, you don't really want a roasty bitter flavour in there.
Your going to end up with a stout otherwise.
__________________
GET THE GOBLIN
Have a beer on me.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 08:03 PM   #4
Glibbidy
 
Glibbidy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Oct 2005
Sunny Southern Vermont
Posts: 2,369
Liked 15 Times on 14 Posts


I realize I'm walking a very fine line here.
perhaps no more then 1% total just to get the color.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 08:06 PM   #5
Orfy
For the love of beer!
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
Orfy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Sep 2005
Cheshire, England
Posts: 11,732
Liked 94 Times on 62 Posts


Have you run a recipe through a calculator?
Will 1% get the colour?
__________________
GET THE GOBLIN
Have a beer on me.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 08:34 PM   #6
Ryanh1801
 
Ryanh1801's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Mar 2007
Addison,TX
Posts: 2,676
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts


I would go with chocolate before black.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 08:35 PM   #7
Iordz
Recipes 
 
Aug 2007
Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 955
Liked 6 Times on 3 Posts


Have you seen Jamil's award winning recipe?http://beerdujour.com/Recipes/Jamil/...hwarzbier.html
I didn't think you could use chocolate or black, but he uses both and even says some judges state that it's lacking some roastiness!
You can get a lot of color by using Munich as part of the base malt. If you do a double decoction the wort would darken considerably and you wouldn't need that much carafa or black malt.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 08:45 PM   #8
Glibbidy
 
Glibbidy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Oct 2005
Sunny Southern Vermont
Posts: 2,369
Liked 15 Times on 14 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by orfy
Have you run a recipe through a calculator?
Will 1% get the colour?
I don't have one of them fancy calculators. I put 1% choclate in my alt and that gives it a really deep brown.

Here's what I'm considering for the grain bill:
55% German Pilsener malt
39% Munich Malt
5% Crystal
.5% Black
.5% Chocolate

Maybe even up the chocolate to 1%. I'm doing at least a single decoction, and will consid a double decoction if time permits.


 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 08:50 PM   #9
the_bird
10th-Level Beer Nerd
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
the_bird's Avatar
Recipes 
 
May 2006
Adams, MA
Posts: 20,883
Liked 523 Times on 420 Posts


Is this for this weekend?

I've been wanting to do a Black IPA for a while, without any roastiness coming through, so I'm interested in this. I have a few bottles of Stone 11th Anniversary to share this weekend (I'm going to pick up a few more if I can find any, to cellar), which sounds like it might be right in the wheelhouse of what I'd like to make.
__________________
Come join Yankee Ingenuity!

"I'm kind of toasted. But I looked at my watch and it's only 6:30 so I can't stop drinking yet." - Yooper's Bob
"Brown eye finally recovered after the abuse it endured in Ptown last weekend, but it took almost a full week." - Paulie
"no, he just doesn't speak 'stupid'. i, however, am fluent...." - motobrewer
"... I'll go both ways." - Melana

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2007, 08:53 PM   #10
Ryanh1801
 
Ryanh1801's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Mar 2007
Addison,TX
Posts: 2,676
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Glibbidy
I don't have one of them fancy calculators. I put 1% choclate in my alt and that gives it a really deep brown.

Here's what I'm considering for the grain bill:
55% German Pilsener malt
39% Munich Malt
5% Crystal
.5% Black
.5% Chocolate

Maybe even up the chocolate to 1%. I'm doing at least a single decoction, and will consid a double decoction if time permits.
With just some quick calculation you are gonna need alot more dark grains to get there. What crystal are you gonna go with?

 
Reply With Quote


Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Black Chocolate Stout - Heaven in a glass JoeMama General Beer Discussion 38 06-22-2011 01:41 PM
Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout mikeyc Commercial Brew Discussion 7 11-13-2009 04:15 AM
Sub Black Malt, or CarafaII for chocolate? Julohan Recipes/Ingredients 1 09-28-2009 07:39 PM
Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout Ivan Lendl Commercial Brew Discussion 6 03-15-2006 05:01 PM
Black Pils Sasquatch Recipes/Ingredients 0 01-08-2006 05:33 PM


Forum Jump