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Old 11-11-2013, 02:17 AM   #1
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So i picked up this old stirplate from a lab for free. Made a starter. Everything it's going good, but the stirplate is getting warn. Not hot, but warming up the starter as well. Any concerns?

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Old 11-11-2013, 02:22 AM   #2
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I wouldn't worry too much but I would check the temp of the starter just to be certain.


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Old 11-11-2013, 02:27 AM   #3
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How warm is too warm?

 
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:58 PM   #4
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I had the same problem with a discarded lab stir plate. After 12 or so hours the starter was at 78. I aimed a small fan at it which cooled the starter to room temperature.
I'm still using the same stir plate, but instead of making my starter in glass I'm using plastic. The plastic does not tramsmit heat as effectively. No need for the fan anymore.

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Old 11-11-2013, 03:03 PM   #5
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Sounds great. Thanks!

 
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Old 11-11-2013, 03:58 PM   #6
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yeah, it's normal for those stirplates to get a little warm with continued use.

Do make sure that if it is a combo hot/stir plate that the hot plate is turned off

I had a new tech in my lab make that mistake once and it ended very poorly for a plastic cup.
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:51 PM   #7
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From Jamil's website:

Q: Does a starter need to be kept at the same temperature as it is going to ferment the batch of beer later?

No, but there are practical limits to how high or low you can go.

Warmer starters (up to 98F, 37C) equal more rapid yeast growth, but using these very high propagation temperatures negatively affects the viability and stability of the resulting yeast. Very rapid growth or excessive growth can result in weaker cell membranes due to lower unsaturated fatty acid concentrations. Lager yeasts tend to be especially sensitive to high temperatures.

The cooler you ferment the starter (down to the planned fermentation temperature for the main batch) the slower the yeast growth, but the yeast can be healthier than yeast coming from a high temperature starter.

Keep starters between 65F (18C) and 75F (24C). A temperature around the low 70s (72F, 22C) strikes the best balance for the propagation of yeasts. Lager yeast starters can be kept a few degrees cooler and ale yeasts can be kept a few degrees warmer, but this temperature strikes a good balance of yeast health and efficient propagation for both types of yeast.

If you are going to pitch the starter at high krauesen, it is best to keep the starter within 5 degrees Fahrenheit (3C) of the wort temperature of the main batch. Pitching a very warm, active starter into cold wort can stun the yeasts and with lager yeasts this can cause a higher incidence of petite mutants, which can negatively affect attenuation, flocculation, and increase hydrogen sulfide production.

You can add small amounts of cool wort to the starter over time, to bring the temperature down gradually, but it is really better to keep everything closer to fermentation temperatures from the beginning. Any time yeast sense a big drop in temperature, they slow down and drop out.

 
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:23 PM   #8
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So I have the same "problem." I put a folded in half kitchen towel under the flask and it seems to pretty efficiently distribute the heat out of the starter. I have had it get up in to the mid-low 80s before with no noticeable off flavors. Those lab stirrers are much sturdier than your typical computer case fan, DIY ones.

 
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:50 PM   #9
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You could create a support for a glass plate to sit about 1/8" above the stirplate. That should still allow for the stir bar to work, but would prevent heat transmission from the plate to the flask.
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:04 PM   #10
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simple adhesive rubber feet would do for a support for the flask and create a stable place for the flask



 
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