Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Equipment/Sanitation > Infection
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-10-2013, 03:01 PM   #1
WileECoyote
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Mohave Valley, Az
Posts: 1,451
Liked 152 Times on 123 Posts
Likes Given: 230

Default Infection

Hello,

I have had a very persistent infection, and the only way I was able to eliminate it was using Hydrogen Peroxide @ a 50/50 mix with water submerging everything that comes in contact with the wort or beer for 72 hrs.

I will also state that nothing else and I mean nothing else worked on the infection I was dealing with, Washing then soak in StarSan then soak in a 50/50 Bleach Bombs then Wash again then soak in StarSan again did nothing, nothing else worked period.

Soaking in Hydrogen Peroxide for 72 hrs Worked.

Hydrogen Peroxide worked when nothing else would, we went through months of research and months of testing infected plastics in mini batches of beer to figure out how to kill this bug.

I really hope this information helps people that are only getting the standard answers, StarSan, Bleach, or Throw everything out.

Cheers


__________________
WileECoyote
Naked Brew

Bartender Ill have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.

I have spent more $ on brewing equipment than my truck cost!

Green beer sucks, let it age/condition/finish and become great before drinking it. WileECoyote

Good/Great beer takes time! if you want a quick beer go to the store or bar!

Things come and go. Good beer will live on for ever ! WileECoyote
WileECoyote is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2013, 03:11 PM   #2
Black Island Brewer
Black Island Brewing: An Ode to Beer
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Black Island Brewer's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Isla Negra
Posts: 1,920
Liked 718 Times on 405 Posts
Likes Given: 514

Default

Great datapoint! What strength of H2O2 were you using?

I'd love to see if you could switch plastics from Brett beers to non-Brett beers by doing this...


__________________
"Oh don't give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/No, don't you give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die/Won't you pour me one more of that sinful Old Janx Spirit"
Black Island Brewer is online now
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2013, 03:33 PM   #3
WileECoyote
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Mohave Valley, Az
Posts: 1,451
Liked 152 Times on 123 Posts
Likes Given: 230

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DWhitwell View Post
Great datapoint! What strength of H2O2 were you using?

I'd love to see if you could switch plastics from Brett beers to non-Brett beers by doing this...
The Hydrogen Peroxide was off the shelf from the local $1 store, yep I bought every bottle they had in 3 different stores, lol

I think you could do some testing real easy using part of a batch or a mini batch, I hope to hear if it works for you.

Cheers
__________________
WileECoyote
Naked Brew

Bartender Ill have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.

I have spent more $ on brewing equipment than my truck cost!

Green beer sucks, let it age/condition/finish and become great before drinking it. WileECoyote

Good/Great beer takes time! if you want a quick beer go to the store or bar!

Things come and go. Good beer will live on for ever ! WileECoyote
WileECoyote is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2013, 04:33 PM   #4
BierMuncher
...My Junk is Ugly...
HBT_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
BierMuncher's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 12,346
Liked 725 Times on 406 Posts
Likes Given: 261

Default

Meaningful content that is intertwined with personality conflicts will also be deleted.
BierMuncher is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2013, 04:42 PM   #5
WileECoyote
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Mohave Valley, Az
Posts: 1,451
Liked 152 Times on 123 Posts
Likes Given: 230

Default

I removed content of this post
__________________
WileECoyote
Naked Brew

Bartender Ill have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.

I have spent more $ on brewing equipment than my truck cost!

Green beer sucks, let it age/condition/finish and become great before drinking it. WileECoyote

Good/Great beer takes time! if you want a quick beer go to the store or bar!

Things come and go. Good beer will live on for ever ! WileECoyote
WileECoyote is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2013, 04:47 PM   #6
WileECoyote
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Mohave Valley, Az
Posts: 1,451
Liked 152 Times on 123 Posts
Likes Given: 230

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BierMuncher View Post
Meaningful content that is intertwined with personality conflicts will also be deleted.
Thanks for the help BierMuncher.

Cheers
__________________
WileECoyote
Naked Brew

Bartender Ill have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.

I have spent more $ on brewing equipment than my truck cost!

Green beer sucks, let it age/condition/finish and become great before drinking it. WileECoyote

Good/Great beer takes time! if you want a quick beer go to the store or bar!

Things come and go. Good beer will live on for ever ! WileECoyote
WileECoyote is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2013, 06:31 PM   #7
passedpawn
Waste Allocation Load Lifter - Earth Class
HBT_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
 
passedpawn's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: ☼ Clearwater, FL ☼
Posts: 22,333
Liked 4977 Times on 2974 Posts
Likes Given: 4168

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WileECoyote View Post
Thanks for the help BierMuncher.

Cheers
Help yourself next time and don't argue.

I'd love to see this thread continue with more technical diligence. We have members here with the background to help with that. Maybe more anecdotal evidence as well.

  • Is hydrogen peroxide an effective sanitizer (on both yeast and bacteria)?
  • Are there spoiling organisms that are tolerant of a bleach mixture?
__________________
- Andrew
passedpawn is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2013, 06:41 PM   #8
funnycreature
Beer Crafter, Metalhead \m/
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
funnycreature's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New House, WV
Posts: 1,038
Liked 189 Times on 161 Posts
Likes Given: 612

Default

Here's a list of EPA-approved sterilizers. http://www.epa.gov/oppad001/list_a_sterilizer.pdf Hydrogen peroxide is on it as active ingredient. When we want to be sure about inactivation of pathogens, including non-replicating agents such as toxins, bleach is your best bet. Prions are an exception though. I am really surprised that bleach didn't work... I don't think that the dilution should have lost its power within 72 h. Did you do independent experiments (i.e. used each method individually on separate equipment) or did you try to clean the same equipment successively with all different agents?
__________________
Brütal Brews - Infüsing Craft Beer with Metal since 2013

Check out my wife's etsy store where she offers soaps made with my beer!
funnycreature is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2013, 02:31 PM   #9
WileECoyote
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Mohave Valley, Az
Posts: 1,451
Liked 152 Times on 123 Posts
Likes Given: 230

Default

@ funnycreature, we tried both ways, at first it was just trying 1 thing at a time and when that didn't work for us, we tried doing them in a row.

Thanks for the Hydrogen Peroxide backing info.

Cheers
__________________
WileECoyote
Naked Brew

Bartender Ill have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.

I have spent more $ on brewing equipment than my truck cost!

Green beer sucks, let it age/condition/finish and become great before drinking it. WileECoyote

Good/Great beer takes time! if you want a quick beer go to the store or bar!

Things come and go. Good beer will live on for ever ! WileECoyote
WileECoyote is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2013, 03:01 PM   #10
eastoak
Senior Member
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: oakland, california
Posts: 3,269
Liked 156 Times on 146 Posts
Likes Given: 89

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by funnycreature View Post
Here's a list of EPA-approved sterilizers. http://www.epa.gov/oppad001/list_a_sterilizer.pdf Hydrogen peroxide is on it as active ingredient. When we want to be sure about inactivation of pathogens, including non-replicating agents such as toxins, bleach is your best bet. Prions are an exception though. I am really surprised that bleach didn't work... I don't think that the dilution should have lost its power within 72 h.
that is the most puzzling part. there has never been a question that hydrogen peroxide is a sanitizer, it's used in hospitals and industry for that purpose but bleach isn't any less effective. if there is a brewing bug that is not affected by bleach then this is something new.


eastoak is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Infection help. 2nd batch. Same infection. What now? MedicMang Fermentation & Yeast 20 03-27-2014 06:28 PM
oh man! Might have my 2nd infection JayWeezie Equipment/Sanitation 4 05-06-2013 06:00 PM
Infection? BeantownR6 General Beer Discussion 10 10-25-2011 11:01 PM
Yeast Infection Has An Infection?! PurpleJeepXJ Fermentation & Yeast 6 08-14-2011 05:13 PM
Is it an infection? MBM30075 Fermentation & Yeast 13 11-13-2009 01:14 PM


Forum Jump

Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS