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Old 09-27-2013, 07:58 PM   #11
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Host a "homebrewed beer judging competition" with a fee for judging. Then give everyone sheets and they can vote on a best of show or something like that. If it's private and a beer judging comp your more likely to get away with it. I'm in CA and people were doing this for a bit but the ABC caught on and shut it down here... just don't start doing it weekly and you will prolly be fine. Is this going to be like a public event in a public area?

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Old 09-27-2013, 07:59 PM   #12
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...Pay for tokens that are then exchanged for beer. Technically, you are only buying a token, not alcohol.
What a crazy world we live in!
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Old 09-27-2013, 07:59 PM   #13
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Beerfests I go to have a token system. Pay for tokens that are then exchanged for beer. Technically, you are only buying a token, not alcohol.
Are you talking specifically about homebrew or commercial beerfests? Generally, the whole "barter" thing where money is exchanged for something that is then exchanged for alcohol still counts as selling.

 
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:01 PM   #14
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Kohler has a ticked public homebrew event that I attended this past spring. The law does look like you can't charge for it, and they even cancelled it for a couple years due to legislation, not sure what was different this year.

 
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:05 PM   #15
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Beerfests I go to have a token system. Pay for tokens that are then exchanged for beer. Technically, you are only buying a token, not alcohol.
I don't see how the token isn't currency in this situation, unless the beer is free and those are voluntary donations or something.

 
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:35 PM   #16
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In the end a simple email or phone call to the Department of Revenue asking the question might get the OP the answers he desires. Although not exactly the same situation, a group I am involved with is planning a brewfest (breweries and homebrew comp) in NW Wisconsin where all the proceeds will benefit a local nonprofit so I am very interested in seeing how this all plays out for my own education in this process. I know at the very least the OP is probably gonna have to apply with his local municipality for a temporary Class B beverage license if charging for the event.

 
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Old 09-27-2013, 11:23 PM   #17
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OP was planning an event in Wisconsin. Does anyone have any ideas how the event can happen with the statutes in Wisconsin as they are?
There was supposed to be a huge homebrew event in Milwaukee last fall, at the Lakefront Brewery.

It was cancelled, due to the laws in the Wisconsin being very strict on homebrew and where it can be served, and the "no charge" thing. It has not been rescheduled.

They just passed a law last year that allowed homebrew competitions to be legal.

A portion of the law on this:

125.06  License and permit exceptions. No license or permit is required under this chapter for:
(3) The making of homemade wine or fermented malt beverages.
(a) The making of homemade wine or fermented malt beverages, and the possession, transportation, or storage of homemade wine or fermented malt beverages, by any person if all of the following apply:
1. The person who makes the wine or fermented malt beverages receives no compensation.
2. The wine or fermented malt beverages are not sold or offered for sale.
3. The total quantity of wine or fermented malt beverages made, in a calendar year, by the person and any other person living in the same household does not exceed 100 gallons if the household has only one person of legal drinking age or 200 gallons if the household has 2 or more persons of legal drinking age.
(b) A person who makes, possesses, transports, or stores homemade wine or fermented malt beverages in compliance with the limitations specified in par. (a) is not a brewer or a manufacturer of wine for purposes of this chapter.
(c) Homemade wine or fermented malt beverages made in compliance with the limitations specified in par. (a) may be consumed by the person who made it and his or her family, neighbors, and friends at any private residence or other private location where the possession and consumption of alcohol is permissible under this chapter, local ordinances, and other applicable law.
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(3m) The use of homemade wine or fermented malt beverages for competitions or exhibitions or similar purposes.
(a) The use of homemade wine or fermented malt beverages made in compliance with the limitations specified in sub. (3) (a) for purposes of exhibition, demonstration, judging, tasting, or sampling or as part of a contest or competition, if the exhibition, demonstration, judging, tasting, sampling, contest, or competition is held at a private residence or on a licensed premises. Homemade wine or fermented malt beverages used for purposes described in this paragraph, including the submission or consumption of such wine or fermented malt beverages, are not considered sold or offered for sale under sub. (3) (a) 2. and any prize awarded at a contest or competition or as a result of an exhibition, demonstration, judging, tasting, or sampling is not considered compensation under sub. (3) (a) 1., but no fee may be charged for consumption of the homemade wine or fermented malt beverages at the exhibition, demonstration, judging, tasting, sampling, contest, or competition.


There is a lot more in the law- it's very specific!
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Old 09-27-2013, 11:36 PM   #18
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Wow that's great...I think CA is not nearly that specific and thus there is a lot of variability in how the law is interpreted by the ABC....some offices are stricter than others.
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Wow that's great...I think CA is not nearly that specific and thus there is a lot of variability in how the law is interpreted by the ABC....some offices are stricter than others.
Yes, and that is a SMALL part of the law that I excerpted there!

It's very specific. In Wisconsin, no one can swing the "buy a glass", "barter", "bid" or anything else as a defense to get around the law. It's very specific that this would be illegal.
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:37 AM   #20
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I guess the NHC could never be held in WI since it would require buying a ticket to consume homebrew.
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