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Old 09-19-2013, 06:23 PM   #21
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I use swing top bottles! Is Star San bad for steel? will it destroy my bales?
Short term exposure should not hurt your steel. I actually leave it in kegs for days, but I have read (ON THE INTERNET, buyer beware) that you should not leave it long term as over a long period of time it could pit the metal. Your bottles should be fine. I routinely soak quick disconnects in it for days with no issues.



 
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:46 PM   #22
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Thanks all for the advice. Since I bought 16 oz of it, I think I'll just bake up a gallon of the stuff using one of my kid's old plastic syringes. I shouldn't need more than that if spraying and sloshing. Cheers.



 
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Old 09-20-2013, 04:47 AM   #23
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tap water, milky as hell immediately and no infections.....

 
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Old 09-20-2013, 05:28 AM   #24
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I use swing top bottles! Is Star San bad for steel? will it destroy my bales?
If you're just sanitizing on bottling day, they won't be exposed long enough to be damaged.
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Old 09-29-2013, 03:19 AM   #25
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Here's a new question: Is there any danger if star san reacting with my other cleaners? I use Hydrogen peroxide (one step) and vinegar. For tough stains I will use the hydrogen peroxide (use to be my sanitizer), and rarely I'll use vinegar for crud and blowoff cleanup. I do use these things on different days and rinse thoroughly, but store in the same area (basement). I've assumed they react badly and try to keep apart and I'm just wondering if I'm paranoid.

 
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:46 PM   #26
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The official answer is that Star San solutions should be clear and a pH below 3.5.

If you used Distilled water the solution would not turn cloudy. The product can react with hard water and turn cloudy. The Minerals in the water can react with the anionic portion of the star san and cause it to go bad. Yes, when this happens you should consider making a fresh solution. The cloudiness usually forms after a dwell time or when people try and store the solution for multiple weeks. If this is the case then, yes always start with a fresh solution.

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The conventional wisdom is that Star San is good below pH 3.0. Apparently conventional wisdom never read the label.

Phosphoric acid 50%
Dodecylbenzenesulfonic acid 20%

The second ingredient is a detergent that reacts with calcium or magnesium to form a cloudy precipitate. This is the ‘slime’ that sometimes forms when people soak stuff long term. It comes from hard water, the vinyl is not dissolving.

No worries about your cleaning products having bad reactions. The one to worry about is to never mix bleach and vinegar directly. A better plan is to avoid using chlorine based cleaners altogether.

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Old 12-18-2015, 03:20 PM   #27
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Phosphoric acid 50%
Dodecylbenzenesulfonic acid 20%

The second ingredient is a detergent that reacts with calcium or magnesium to form a cloudy precipitate. This is the ‘slime’ that sometimes forms when people soak stuff long term. It comes from hard water, the vinyl is not dissolving.

No worries about your cleaning products having bad reactions.
Charlie Talley (I think) of Five Star explains about the slime due to the Dodecylbenzenesulfonic acid (DBSA) at ~1:10:30 of this BN Session podcast. He says you should be able to break down the DBSA soap formed by soaking in PBW.

 
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:30 PM   #28
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Mine starts out "milky" because it interacts with something in my water. Never had a problem with it...
Same here. Mine is always milky. I thought that was normal haha
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:33 PM   #29
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This isn't the case. Mine turns cloudy immediately and has a PH of less than 3 for 1-2 months. No infections here.
Same here
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:39 PM   #30

Not sure why this is resurrected, but the phrase "dont fear the foam" has now been uttered 4 times. Which is actually surprisingly less than I anticipated when I clicked on this


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