[QUOTE=homebrewer_99][OK, I just want you to read this...I am NOT angry with you or your organization...I am only stating facts (as I know them), so please don't get angry back...that is not my intent].[\QUOTE]
No anger here. This is a discussion and an interesting one at that in the ethics of commercial brewing
How many times have you witnessed someone say "This doesn't taste the same as I remember it." ? ? ? ][\QUOTE]
I have seen this quite a bit. And the reason the same beer taste a little different from the last time could be that the recipe got tweaked, the beer got warm in transport, it got lightstruck, the asst. brewer mistakenly tweaked the grain bill, the brewer was trying something new to make the beer better, the keg wasn't cleaned properly, the lines weren't clean,...
I have to disagree with you - yes, it's entirely another beer! ][\QUOTE]
no two batches are ever the same, but the same base recipe, tweaked a little bit are still going to get marketed and sold the same (at least at the small level of commercial brewing)
It is not the same beer the customer has been drinking and the customer should be told about the change in the recipe along with WHY the changes were made. ][\QUOTE]
I also wait tables and bartend at the brewpub. I told everyone that liked that beer that this was a special batch, with extra hops, for a competition. They were very appreciative. I never had anybody ask, "well why don't you brew it like this all the time?"
If you don't then that's an old bait and switch technique called fraud.
IMO, changing recipes is underhanded, immoral and proof that all companies care about is the bottom line and not the product or their customers. ][\QUOTE]
I don't feel it was anywhere near fraud, nor immoral. The bottom line is definitely why it is the way it is, but that's business. Not that I agree with it. If the brewer, or myself were the ones signing the paychecks, the beer would always have that extra cascade aroma. But the fact is, the difference was so subtle, most people wouldn't even be able to discern between batches.
Even Coke and Pepsi changed the names of their products when they changed their recipes. Maybe their lawyers know something....][\QUOTE]
are we really comparing a small brewpub in Montana to coke or pepsi?
No two batches of beer are the same, homebrewing or commercial. The larger breweries have more consistency, so bud light tastes like the same watery mess it always does. But our beers change from batch to batch, it may be a change in the recipe, or a change in the temperature of the strike water. They are not changes to make more money, they are changes to make the beer better.
In this particular instance, the beer was made a little better for the sake of a competition. That seems slightly underhanded for the sake of competition, but not to the customers. On the other hand, in the competition, they're judging that specific batch of that specific beer. There are no rules that say the beer tasted at judging must taste exactly that same as the beer poured from your taps.
The brewers take pride in their work. The quality of their work is judged solely on the product, and it is constantly judged by the customer. This was not an underhanded attempt to make more money. Just a tweak in a recipe for a competition.
Originally Posted by homebrewer_99
[Are we still friends?
of course we are. and i urge any one of you to come in and drink a Sharptail Pale Ale with me and you'll see that it is still a damn fine beer with only 6 lbs of dry-hopped Cascades
edit: not sure what's wrong with the quotes, can't seem to figure it out either