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Old 09-11-2013, 08:02 PM   #21
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Well said.... Too much automation takes away from the fun (IMO). Automation in itself is a hobby. For the big brewery's making thousands of barrels at a time automation is great but it just wouldn't work for me. Automating temperature control is about as far as I'm willing to go.
True story. Brewing buddy wants to automate the valves... once we do this it is almost a one touch... not cool. The current setup I am shooting for will automatically adjust setpoints and control temps based on steps. The steps are started and stopped by a person after ensuring that water level, hoses, ingredients are all set. The whole reason I want to do this is so we can be cleaning or readying a second-third batch while brewing the first.
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Old 09-11-2013, 10:30 PM   #22
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True story. Brewing buddy wants to automate the valves... once we do this it is almost a one touch... not cool. The current setup I am shooting for will automatically adjust setpoints and control temps based on steps. The steps are started and stopped by a person after ensuring that water level, hoses, ingredients are all set. The whole reason I want to do this is so we can be cleaning or readying a second-third batch while brewing the first.
Pretty much how my system operates. Based on original design constraints 2 pumps can either be toggled manually, or run automatically via the BCS. Seemed like a neat feature, but to be honest, I almost never brew this way. I've found in practice that flipping a manual switch, and making sure the pump has primed correctly is actually easier then messing with automation. Live and learn. The one really nice thing that I have found with automation is that it makes it easy and brainless to prepare in advance for a "next batch".

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Old 09-11-2013, 11:06 PM   #23
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Wow that is a great point of too much automation. I keep thinking about that. My mentor says the same thing. Although when I brewed as a assistant brewer at a big brewery the nice part of the day was no fiddling with hoses and just thinking about and actually brewing. I think I want (granted I could change my mind) is the ability to stop switching hoses and just focus on what is really happening. I would really like to start step mashes, I know most of the modern malts don't need it.

I haven't thought about putting the pump after the chiller.

----- PRIMING ------
I added an air valve to my pumps so the priming goes a lot easier. That was the best 10 bucks I have spent on the system for a while.
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:57 PM   #24
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Wow that is a great point of too much automation. I keep thinking about that. My mentor says the same thing. Although when I brewed as a assistant brewer at a big brewery the nice part of the day was no fiddling with hoses and just thinking about and actually brewing. I think I want (granted I could change my mind) is the ability to stop switching hoses and just focus on what is really happening. I would really like to start step mashes, I know most of the modern malts don't need it.

I haven't thought about putting the pump after the chiller.

----- PRIMING ------
I added an air valve to my pumps so the priming goes a lot easier. That was the best 10 bucks I have spent on the system for a while.
Air valve? We use pumps everywhere at work, and I admit that I am not too keen on priming.
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Old 09-12-2013, 02:33 PM   #25
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The air valve I am talking about is one you use on rad or hydronic systems

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?...llow&cId=PDIO1

works great to get the air out fast and get the pump working. I'll see if I have a pic of it somewhere. I pulled my set a part for the pending changes.
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:12 PM   #26
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So just a mechanical relief valve that purges air for liquid? That's smart!
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:20 PM   #28
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:25 PM   #29
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Quick question regarding automation. If i would want to fully automate the system... Which one is better.. Brewtroller or BCS? Also, what about if you want control from a living room or such?
I keep seeing different opinions between the two!!!

 
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Quick question regarding automation. If i would want to fully automate the system... Which one is better.. Brewtroller or BCS? Also, what about if you want control from a living room or such? I keep seeing different opinions between the two!!!
Both can handle automation from a remote source. As to which one is better really relies on preference of options. I like both of the controllers. If your going to go full auto then BT is the best with it's ability to sense filling as more of a standard option.

I'm glad you have brought up full auto. I keep thinking about hop additions via a pulse motor. Setting up an auger to drop the additions. I'm pretty sure it won't happen but has anyone seen this sort of contraption.

Doesn't dogfish head have this sort of thing for their 90 minute IPA?
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