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Old 09-09-2013, 07:14 AM   #21
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So you went from BIAB to RIMS? I don't know a lot of people who made that particular switch. What made you take the leap?
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It wasn't a direct switch, but rather a gradual migration. Went from BIAB to using a 5-gallon cooler mash tun around January. Appreciated the ability to have greater control over the brew session, and the unbelievably clear wort it produced. Ended up picking up a keg from a brew friend to convert into a mash tun. Based on the volume and lack of insulation, I decided it would be a good excuse to build up a RIMS system. I've done 2 or 3 brews on the most current system (10-gallon HLT, 15-gallon keg mash tun with false bottom, 15.5 gallon BK, using a pump to transfer the majority of the liquids), before I decided to give the RIMS system a trial.

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Old 09-13-2013, 09:38 AM   #23
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Sorry its been a few days. Zymurgy Vol.34 No.2 pg 36.
If you don't have it let me know.
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Things are moving right along with both batches. The other day I pulled a sample of the Roesalaire blend. Good flavor, already starting to pick up some sour notes.

I was getting concerned with the non-sour batch, as 3 weeks into fermentation it was still hovering around 1.030. I started it at room temperature, and once fermentation signs were visible I began ramping up the temps about 2 a day, and it's been sitting steadily at 83. Decided to be patient and ride it out, and I was pleasantly surprised that it's now at about 1.014. Looks like I can save that emergency packet of 05 for another batch! I'll give it another week or so to finish out, then will split the batch into cherry and non-cherry.
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My saison isn't behaving - stopped at 1016, which is when I shrugged my shoulders and bottled it. Still pretty tasty - it was a desert beer in the first place, with noble hops and honey malt - but not as dry as I wanted. Probably oxygenation.

Try some yeast nutrient if you don't get much more out of the yeast.
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Your other option is to do a lacto sour... do your mash, then instead of boiling cool to 110, throw in a bag of unmashed grain, and wait a couple days until it sours from the bacteria. Then heat 'er back up to a boil and do your 60-minute hopping schedule as normal. This will yield a less complex sour, generally, but it's pretty controllable... you get exactly as much sour as you want, as long as you have time to start the boil when it hits the sweet spot.
I do BIAB in a 44 qt bayou classic with fryer basket/bag. Using this method, I could just do my normal mash, let it cool to 110 like you say, then put a handful of grain in a hop bag, tie it to the handle, cover the BK in saran wrap or something and let it sit for a few days. Once it reaches sour enough flavor, boil and add hops as usual.

This would essentially allow me to brew a sour without having to buy separate equipment or worry about cross contamination, right? Or am I missing something?

How many days does it take to reach a detectable sour flavor?
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I racked half of the non-sour variant onto a pound of sweet cherries, will probably bottle in about a week or so. FG ended up hitting 1.004.
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