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Old 10-07-2013, 02:16 PM   #11
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What makes you think there's no oils in those flavors? In fact, the presence of xanthan gum implies that there is. The oils would make up many of the "natural and artificial flavors."
Xanthan gum is a thickener, not an emulsifier. It's presence does not necessarily imply that there are oils present.

The presence of oil soluble flavors (not all flavors are oil based) in a product like this may be a moot point if they are formulated for use in beverages.


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Old 10-07-2013, 03:34 PM   #12
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Well, LorAnn responded quickly to my email, though I don't think they really answered the question.

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Do the "Flavor Fountain" flavors contain any oils? Or are they completely water soluble? For example, if I wanted to use one of the "Flavor Fountain" flavors with my Soda Stream to make a soft drink, would I need to use an emulsifier?

LorAnn's response:

Thank you for contacting LorAnn Oils. The flavor fountains are water soluble.

So there you have it. Even if there are oils present, I should think they would only be in very small amounts. It always seemed to me that making the flavors water soluble was the whole point of coming up with an entirely separate line of flavors to use in beverages and ice cream. But whatever. I'm planning to try some of these flavors with my Soda Stream soon, and I ain't gonna use any emulsifiers. YMMV.


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Old 10-07-2013, 05:42 PM   #13
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Well, LorAnn responded quickly to my email, though I don't think they really answered the question.

My email:

Do the "Flavor Fountain" flavors contain any oils? Or are they completely water soluble? For example, if I wanted to use one of the "Flavor Fountain" flavors with my Soda Stream to make a soft drink, would I need to use an emulsifier?

LorAnn's response:

Thank you for contacting LorAnn Oils. The flavor fountains are water soluble.

So there you have it. Even if there are oils present, I should think they would only be in very small amounts. It always seemed to me that making the flavors water soluble was the whole point of coming up with an entirely separate line of flavors to use in beverages and ice cream. But whatever. I'm planning to try some of these flavors with my Soda Stream soon, and I ain't gonna use any emulsifiers. YMMV.
They're soluble because they already use an emulsifier, xanthan gum.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:45 PM   #14
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Xanthan gum is not an emulsifier, strictly speaking. Typically it is used as a thickening agent or a stabilizer. So its presence in the fountain flavors is not ipso facto proof that oils are present in the product. But, whatever dude. The main point is, the fountain flavors can be used to make soda without having to use an emulsifier.
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Xanthan gum is not an emulsifier, strictly speaking. Typically it is used as a thickening agent or a stabilizer. So its presence in the fountain flavors is not ipso facto proof that oils are present in the product. But, whatever dude. The main point is, the fountain flavors can be used to make soda without having to use an emulsifier.
An emulsifier IS a stabilizer.

Could you tell us what other reason they'd have to use it?

I guarantee you that many of these flavors are oils. Oils are not miscible (please, look that up) with water. Hence, they add something in to stabilize it in the manner of emulsification.

This argument is utterly pointless because the end result is the same. Because the extracts already contain an emulsifier, they will work just fine in water.
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:26 PM   #16
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So you "guarantee" that they must contain oils, huh?

I wrote to LorAnn again, asking them to clarify. Here is their response:

You are very much correct! There are no oils in our flavor fountains. They contain water. The xanthan gum acts in this product as a thickening agent. If you have certain flavors you are interested in, I can send you the product specifications. These reports will list out all the ingredients, and you can see clearly there is water in them, and no oil. If you would like to provide that list of flavors I can work on those reports for you this morning. If you need further assistance, please let me know.

Thank you,
Michelle L Ruiz
Customer Service
LorAnn Oils, Inc.
Ph: (517) 882-0215
Toll Free: (800) 862-8620
Fax: (517) 882-0507
www.LorAnnOils.com


BTW, I already know what "miscible" means, but thank you for patronizing me.
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"they contain water" would indicate they're talking about the solvent. MANY OF THESE FLAVORS ARE ESSENTIAL OILS.

What a pointless ****ing argument. Have fun.
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Here is an email straight from LorAnn, saying point blank -- twice -- that there is NO OIL whatsoever in this product, and that the xanthan gum is used strictly as a THICKENING AGENT, not an emulsifier as you kept insisting, and you still can't concede that you were just wrong about this.

Again I say, whatever. Thanks for playing.
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Here is an email straight from LorAnn, saying point blank -- twice -- that there is NO OIL whatsoever in this product, and that the xanthan gum is used strictly as a THICKENING AGENT, not an emulsifier as you kept insisting, and you still can't concede that you were just wrong about this.

Again I say, whatever. Thanks for playing.
I second that motion.


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