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Old 10-26-2007, 12:47 PM   #1
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As a lot of you know I have had many bad batches even after I switched to oxiclean and starsan. I know a lot of you guys say you don't need to scrub your bottles and that's what I believe got me in trouble. I was inspecting one of my glass carboys in the sun and noticed it had a light film inside and when I brushed it you could definitely see it. After giving the bottle a good scrub I did a good soak with a strong bleach solution and my first batch smells good. I haven't tasted it yet but I'm pretty sure I have licked it. I will still use oxiclean but I will definitely brush all of my bottles after every batch.
I know the better bottle crowd can't scrub with a brush but there has to be something.

Now I know ya'll are going to say you have been doing this for a long time and never had a problem. I too went a long time without a problem but when you get one it's very unforgiving and very expensive, not to mention nerve racking.

I visited JNJ yesterday who had my same problem and the common thread was fruit flies. I think what happened is the initial infection started with fruit flies and once it was stuck to the walls of the carboy oxiclean and starsan would not remove or kill it.

From now on it's oxiclean, scrub, and starsan. If an infection occurs a good soak with a strong bleach solution.

 
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:00 PM   #2
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Just curious, but were you using the regular oxyclean or the oxyclean free (no perfumes, etc.)? I've just started using the oxyclean free for my kegs and bottles but am using the pbw for my kettles and fermenters.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:10 PM   #3
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It was nice meeting you and thanks for stopping by. I'm either going to brew my first test batch today or may be Sunday, we'll see. I really hope this works.
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:10 PM   #4
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oxiclean free. I switched from one step because of the infection problem.

 
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:11 PM   #5
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I'm praying for you John. I think this will work for you.

 
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:29 PM   #6
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In the case of ridding infection, I am a big advocate of going to the most extreme cleaning measures possible: Elbow grease and lots of bleach. Pass sanitation and approach sterilization. Looks like this is exactly what you did, and it worked. Cheers!
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:50 PM   #7
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Hmmmm, I use oxyclean and Iodophor but I always scrub during the cleaning phase, never occurred to me not to.

Hope this solves your problem, let us know.
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:17 PM   #8
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In the case of ridding infection, I am a big advocate of going to the most extreme cleaning measures possible: Elbow grease and lots of bleach. Pass sanitation and approach sterilization. Looks like this is exactly what you did, and it worked. Cheers!
I have had infections in the past and stopped them this way but with all of the talk about oxiclean and not scrubbing I didn't think of it. Extreme problems require extreme measures. Plastic always worries me because it retains a smell that even bleach can't remove.

 
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:24 PM   #9
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Sanitizers will not break or penetrate bacterial biofilms. Some of those films can block straight bleach! Clean, then sanitize.
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:27 PM   #10
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Sanitizers will not break or penetrate bacterial biofilms. Some of those films can block straight bleach! Clean, then sanitize.
I HOPE EVERYBODY READS THIS.

 
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