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Old 08-23-2013, 10:42 AM   #21
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So I think I have settled on the almost finished recipe below for Sunday brew day. Only thing is that I want the total IBUs around 60-65 so I need to add some bitterness somewhere. I don't want the final taste too piney. I have extra columbus, nugget, cascade. Was thinking of FWH with columbus to add IBU, but don't want to add to many confusing flavors. Could just up the nugget.
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Batch Size: 6.00 gal
Color: 5.3 SRM
Bitterness: 50.9 IBUs Boil Time: 60 min
Est OG: 1.065
Est FG: 1.014
ABV: 6.6%

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14 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row)
8.0 oz Victory Malt
1.0 oz Nugget [13.0%] - Boil 60 min
1.00 Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15 min)
0.8 oz Cascade [5.5%] - Boil 12 min
0.5 oz Chinook [13.0%] - Boil 12 min
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 0 min -- HOPSTAND 10 min before chilling.
2 pkgs London Ale Yeast (Wyeast Labs #1028)-- starter
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Dry Hop 5 days
1.0 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.0%] - Dry Hop 5 days
for me 51 IBU's is a good number for a 1.065 beer. you mentioned pine flavor so you could shuffle your hop bill some.

chinook tends to be quite piney. in my own recipe developments i use 1 part chinook to 3 parts anything else. if this beer is supposed to be somewhat piney you could make it 2:1. maybe that helps you shuffle the bitterness around. maybe ditch the 12min addition and consolidate everything into 15 and 10. that could net you a couple points.


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Old 08-23-2013, 11:39 AM   #22
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0.8 oz Cascade [5.5%] - Boil 12 min
0.5 oz Chinook [13.0%] - Boil 12 min
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 0 min -- HOPSTAND 10 min before chilling.
2 pkgs London Ale Yeast (Wyeast Labs #1028)-- starter
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Dry Hop 5 days
1.0 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.0%] - Dry Hop 5 days
You still don't have enough late hops, in my opinion, for an IPA. For a 6 gallon IPA, especially with higher IBUs, the recipe needs more late hops. The dryhopping will help, but I'd still increase the cascade and chinook additions.


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Old 08-23-2013, 01:00 PM   #23
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Do you think adding some Columbus late would be too many different types of Hops?
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:15 AM   #24
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Maybe this:?

IBU 66

0.25oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.0%] - First Wort Hop
0.75 oz Nugget [13.0%] - Boil 60 min
1.00 Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15 min)
0.5 oz Cascade [5.5%] - Boil 12 min
0.5 oz Chinook [13.0%] - Boil 12 min
0.5 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.0%] - Boil 12 min
0.5 oz Cascade [5.5%] - Boil 5 min
0.25 oz Chinook [13.0%] - Boil 5 min
0.5 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.0%] - Boil 5 min
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 0 min
2 pkgs London Ale Yeast (Wyeast Labs #1028)
1.0 oz Simcoe [13.0%] - Dry Hop 5 days
1.0 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.0%] - Dry Hop 5 days
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i put your recipe into brewtoad for a quick look.

i have your FWH addition set to 80 minutes assuming it takes 20 mins to reach a boil. i also changed your 12 minute additions to 15. after all this i'm at 66 IBU's total, 26 from your nugget addition and another 10 from your FWH means over half of your IBU's are just bitterness. this is why yooper is busting your chops about not enough late hops.

i'm not sure of your flavor goals so i made adjustments to hit your numbers and tried to take advice from this thread in mind.

60min 1.0 oz Cascade
15min 0.5 oz Cascade
15min 1.0 oz Chinook
15min 1.0 oz Columbus
05min 0.5 oz Chinook
05min 0.5 oz Columbus
05min 0.5 oz Cascade
00min 1.0 oz Simcoe
etc

this is 67 IBU's but only 15 from the 60 minute addition. the rest of your bitterness is providing flavor and aroma. if you'd still like to use a FWH you could split the 60 min addition or, since you'll have .5 oz of cascade left over, you could add it to your bittering additions. if you do this will put you a little over 70 IBU's but it might be needed to adjust perceived bitterness. any other left over hops i would add 3 days into fermentation.

btw, this thing sounds like a pine bomb. chinook, columbus, simcoe with moderate amounts of cascade is probably going to be pine dominant. if that's not what you're looking for swap out a 15min columbus addition for 1 oz cascade.
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Wow, you did a lot of good work on that, thanks. I will take your alls advice. I appreciate it. I will report back as to how it tastes.

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Simcoe [13.0%] - Boil 0 min -- HOPSTAND 10 min before chilling.
You will definitely get some IBU out of these, probably put you close to where you want to be.


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