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Old 08-14-2013, 07:11 PM   #1
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So I went and bought a recipe kit from my Homebrew store today and later realized I had bought the all grain version when I thought I had gotten the partial mash. Seeing is that I don't have the equipment for an all grain brew, I was wondering if instead I could just steep half of the grains for 30 minutes, sparge and then repeat for the other half and still be okay?

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Old 08-14-2013, 07:18 PM   #2
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I do this from time to time when I want more grain then I can fit. Just pay attention to your water levels and be sure to allow enough time for two mashes and you should be fine.

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Old 08-14-2013, 07:19 PM   #3
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So I went and bought a recipe kit from my Homebrew store today and later realized I had bought the all grain version when I thought I had gotten the partial mash. Seeing is that I don't have the equipment for an all grain brew, I was wondering if instead I could just steep half of the grains for 30 minutes, sparge and then repeat for the other half and still be okay?

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Nah, sorry, doesn't work that way.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:20 PM   #4
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Depending on your pot size go get yourself a paint strainer bag and search BIAB

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Is the grain already milled? If not, you might be able to return it. Even if it is milled, you might ask if you can return it...

What is the grain bill for the kit?

I don't know what equipment you have, but you could also do a BIAB-style mini-mash, for example. I'm guessing you might not have a big enough pot to mash all of the grain at once, but maybe split the grain, do a mini mash, then make up the difference with DME. Then you could use the rest of the grain later to do a second brew.

Since you have all grain, you really need to do a mash, not just steep the grains, to get a proper conversion. It's more temperature and time sensitive than steeping.
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So I went and bought a recipe kit from my Homebrew store today and later realized I had bought the all grain version when I thought I had gotten the partial mash. Seeing is that I don't have the equipment for an all grain brew, I was wondering if instead I could just steep half of the grains for 30 minutes, sparge and then repeat for the other half and still be okay?

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Seems like you should be able to do this so long as you're "mashing" rather than "steeping" the grains (i.e. you're using the right temp and water ratio, which matters less when steeping for extract brews). Since you were trying to buy a PM kit I'm sure you're familiar, but just in case this thread has an awesome breakdown of stovetop mashing, which you could presumably do 2-3 times as necessary depending on the size of your pot to get all the grain mashed and acheived your desired boil volume.

 
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In that same light, it will also matter how much of which grain you use. If you don't have enough of the base malt, it won't have many fermentables in it and you'll end up with a really low ABV beer.

So I think I'm with BGBC, may be best to just see if you can return it, especially if you don't have any LME or DME on hand.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:48 PM   #8
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Thanks for the quick replies everyone!

Well unfortunately I was already steeping the first half of the grain when I made the post so at this point I'm all in and going back to the store for extract is out of the question. I poured a gallon of water over it and started with the second half a little while ago. As long as I keep the grain in for an hour at the right temp, that should be enough time to release all the sugars, correct?

My grain bill is 1 lb of flaked oats, 4.5 lbs of belgian pale ale malt and, and 3.5 lbs of white wheat.

 
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Seeing is that I don't have the equipment for an all grain brew, I was wondering if instead I could just steep half of the grains for 30 minutes, sparge and then repeat for the other half and still be okay?
Why do you use the word "steep"? And why do you say 30 minutes? I assumed you meant simply doing two mashes and combining the resulting wort. You can do that but you don't want to cut the mashing time in half. And you don't want to steep instead of mashing.


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Nah, sorry, doesn't work that way.
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In that same light, it will also matter how much of which grain you use. If you don't have enough of the base malt, it won't have many fermentables in it and you'll end up with a really low ABV beer.
Since this is an all-grain kit it has the enough base malt. Make sure you mix the grains thoroughly so that each of the two mashes has have the right proportions of grains.
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:54 PM   #10
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I used the word steep because I had half the grain in a rubber banded bag that I put into the water instead of dumping the grains directly in the water. If I understand correctly, I can't properly 'mash' because I don't have a way to properly separate the grain from the wort.

Whether I'm completely wrong or not... this is what I've done so far. I put half the grain (about 6 lbs) in a bag and let it sit in 160 degree water for 30 minutes, poured a gallon of water over that and then repeated with the other half. After reading all these comments I decided to just go to the nearest Lowes and pick up a paint straining bag and redo the process.

Right now I have all the grain in the bag, sitting in the water (reheated to 160) and I plan to let it sit for an hour to make sure I get as many of the sugars as I can. At this point I realize I've screwed up but I'm just trying to do some damage control so that I don't have to waste all this grain and start over.

Should I be good though? If I let it sit for an hour?

 
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