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Old 06-24-2013, 07:24 PM   #1
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Hey guys, just finished my fifth all grain IPA and have been disappointed with the hop flavor and aroma. The last IPA I did used 1oz citra at 60, 1.5oz cascade at 30, 1.5oz cascade at 15, 1oz citra a 5 and then whirlpool with 1 oz citra. The bitterness is there but can't seem to get the flavor or aroma. Anyone else ever had this problem?

 
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Old 06-24-2013, 07:33 PM   #2
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Oh yes. I've been working with an all-grain IPA recipe, and it always turns out being much less bitter and flavorful than I would like. I even talked to a professional brewer about it, and we came to the conclusion that I simply needed to add more hops. I ended up using some really harsh bittering hops and more aroma hops in the late boil. I also dry hop. Finally, the last batch tasted the way I wanted.

I wish I had a more conclusive answer for you. Have you looked at your water profile? I've read that a lack of minerals in the water can also dull hop flavors.
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Old 06-24-2013, 07:46 PM   #3
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try a 15-20 minute hop stand after flame out with 3 oz of hops. i reduce my bittering addition to around 20 ibu then it's all late hops and hop stand. bitter and hoppy.

 
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:04 PM   #4
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I'll give those suggestions a try. I've wanted to add more hops but the ibu's on beersmith go right off the chart. Guess I'll just try it anyway.

I've been meaning to get the water profile from our town but haven't done so yet.

 
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:47 PM   #5
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Try a big hop stand at 180 degrees and perhaps again at 160.

Big dry hop addition as well.

Search around a bit...there is a huge thread going discussing the benefits of prolonged lower temperature hop stands.

I just brewed a batch with all hop additions after flameout with high alpha hops so I think I will still get ample bittering with more flavor and aroma.

Best to get your water tested, but a bit of gypsum may "brighten" your hops up as well.

 
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:10 PM   #6
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Yea if you aren't dry hopping then you really need to. I usually add anywhere from 2 to 5+ ounces of hops in the dry hop phase

 
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:50 PM   #7
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I'm gonna give all these suggestions a try next time. I'm really looking for a nice citrusy flavor and aroma and it kills me that I can't get it

 
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:32 AM   #8
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I haven't tried hop stands, but dry hopping really brings out the hop flavor and aroma. I also like to add some additional hops to my kegs to give it a little more fresh flavor and aroma that seems to last longer.

 
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:29 PM   #9
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Whoops, double post

 
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Old 06-25-2013, 02:45 PM   #10
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Move your 30min to flameout, and definitely dry hop with at least 2oz.

You might want to look into your water chemistry too, that can dull hop perception.

 
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