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Old 12-03-2005, 08:56 PM   #1
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Anyone ever gone 100% organic? I've seen plenty of sites that sell organic hops or organic DME, but I'm wondering if the high price is worth it.

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Old 12-03-2005, 09:28 PM   #2
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Mostly organic = ethical but expensive.
It doesn't necessarily mean better quality (sometimes it can be lower quality). (IMHO)
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Old 12-03-2005, 09:51 PM   #3
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Comparing organic to non organic ingredients for brewing is probably minimal with flavours.
The satisfaction would come when you sit down and drink your own beer.
Not only have you taken the time to brew something better than * but the ingredients you used were grown with a real passion to farming without chemicals and a little thought towards a sustainable future and the environment.

*(insert your own personal benchmark here)

But as Orfy stated - buyer beware! - Organic labels are no recommendation of quality!

Please post the links for organic ingredients Cheesefood - I'd like to see you what you've found

 
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:49 PM   #4
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I don't know exactly why, but I haven't run across an organic brewery that had more than one or two drinkable ales and none that were outstanding. That maybe because of the limited selection of organic ingerdients or possibly the brewer is focused on the wrong aspect of brewing. Given the various molds, fungus and pests hop plants are subject to, organic hops are tough to find.

I can't think of a single food product where organic translated to better flavor. Fresh is far more important.
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:08 AM   #5
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Old 12-04-2005, 03:00 AM   #6
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as far as beer goes, i agree with most of these posts, quality is definitely not better. but with other food products, i gotta say, while yes, freshnesss is the most important factor, some of the industrially grown crap vegetables that you get at the supermarket don't taste right. theyre borderline fake food in my opinion. the thing with organic farmers (small ones at least) is that they care about their product, and that translates to an often times bettter product, just like with breweries, not to mention the ethical considerations. just go to your local farmers market and get some fresh orgnic veggies abd you'll see the difference.

 
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Old 12-04-2005, 03:46 AM   #7
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I saw a show on organic farming last week and a lot of them are NOT organic.
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Old 12-04-2005, 04:54 PM   #8
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The end result has more to do with the brewer.
I've had some great organic beer and some great non-organic.
I've also seen some shops that charge almost as much for their non-organic grains/hops as 7 Bridges does for its' organic stuff.
The main drawback is the smaller selection that is organic.
If you like organic and get to Portland try Roots brewing (near Hawthorne on 7th). Craig the brewer is a master.
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Old 12-04-2005, 05:35 PM   #9
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The Ukiah Brewery in Ukiah, CA is 100% organic beer and food menu. Honestly the food is mediocre (though that has nothing to do with organic or not...just weird menu selections). The beer has good selections and bad. It's in an area of pretty stiff competition with Anderson Valley and Lost Coast so near by. But I applaud their motivation to use 100% organic ingredients. The more demand for these products there is, the cheaper they get. My local grocery store is at least 60% organic in the produce section now, and it really doesn't cost more.

In any event, organic will not change the quality of your beer...only the brewer can do that.

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Old 12-04-2005, 06:22 PM   #10
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I saw a show on organic farming last week and a lot of them are NOT organic.
to use the 'organic' nomenclature, you have to get usda certified, which costs around the range of 10000 dollars the first time. many small organic farmers cant afford this and choose not to deal with the organic certification, best thing is to know and be able to talk to your farmers, which will really only happen at a farmers market. but if it says its organic, it probably is, but the problem is a lot of the new organic farmers are just industrial farms trying to be moer profitable by charging more for the organic label. they still dont care much about the quality of their product. its the equivalent to Coors putting a fancy label on their swill and calling it a micro brew. what you are probably referring to is non-government controlled eco-labels like 'natural' and the like. you gotta watch out for those things.

 
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