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Old 03-27-2013, 04:36 AM   #1
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This is probably the wrong place for this post but the help I need is all electrical so I figured you guys would be the right ones to ask for help.

I would really appreciate some help with a wiring diagram for my direct fire system. Here are a few details on what I am using:

3- Honeywell gas valves VR8345 w/ S8610 ignition modules
1- Pump

Here is what I would like to add to the system.
2- PIDís w/ RTDís for the MLT and HLT with manual switch option and LEDís
1- Temperature gauge w/ RTD for the BK on a switch w/ LED
1- Pump switch w/ LED
I would also like to have a main power switch w/ LED.

After looking through all of the drawings I could find from P-J I couldnít find one that met my want list or uses an electronic ignition.

Any help you guys could give would be greatly appreciated.


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Old 03-27-2013, 12:35 PM   #2
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The drawing attached might help you in your plan.

As always - click on the image to see (and save) a full scale diagram printable on Tabloid paper (11" x 17")




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Thanks. I should be able to figure out how to change out the switches and add the LEDs.

I appreciate the help.
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Thanks. I should be able to figure out how to change out the switches and add the LEDs.

I appreciate the help.
I placed those specific switches as they are LED illuminated devices.

Here's the link - Illuminated Maintained Pushbutton Switch

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Operation Current Rating: 10A at 240 or 120VAC
Number of Contact: 2 Normally Open
Illumination Type: LED
Illumination color: Red, Blue, Green, yellow or white
Illumination Voltage: 240 or 120VAC
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I am looking for a switch that is on-off-manual. That is why i figured on a switch and an LED.
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You want the 'manual' leg to fire the burner at 100% and skip the PID, or am I missing something? Why not just set the PID to manual mode and do it that way?
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I am looking for a switch that is on-off-manual. That is why i figured on a switch and an LED.
Understood. Now comes the problem that I see in the many hours of trying to come up with a drawing that 'fits' your plan. I am totally unable to locate a LED that can be powered with 24V AC so that it illuminates with the selection of PID or Manual mode. Using a 120V LED really complicates the wiring with a huge jump in cost for custom switches.

Anyway, I tried my best. Sorry that it does not fit your needs. Wishing you success with your plan. Sorry for the diversion, I was just trying to help.

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You want the 'manual' leg to fire the burner at 100% and skip the PID, or am I missing something? Why not just set the PID to manual mode and do it that way?
Excellent and very easy to do. I agree.!

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So this is where my ignorance kicks in. I can use the PID in a manual mode instead of using a seperate switch?
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It may be model specific, but the PIDs most of us use - SYL-2352s from Auber - allow Auto or Manual modes. In auto, set it and forget it, the PID does the rest. In manual, you set the % you want it to run, whether that's 60% or 10% or 100%, it doesn't care. It's great for boiling with an element - mine sustains a rolling boil at 60%. So you could easily use the PID to manually go to 100% or whatever you wanted.
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The drawing attached might help you in your plan.

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I have decided to to make a change to my plans. I would like to add a RIMS tube to it. I want keep the same drawing you sent m, but add a PID controlled RIMS to it. So I will direct fire the HLT and BK and have the RIMS on the MLT. Do you have a drawing that depicts this set up?


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