Coldbreak Brewing HERMS Giveaway!

HomeBrewSupply AMCYL Brew Kettle Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Wine, Mead, Cider, Sake & Soda > Cider Forum > How to: plastic soda bottle conditioning testers?
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-24-2013, 05:08 AM   #1
YeastHerder
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: San Dimas, CA
Posts: 144
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default How to: plastic soda bottle conditioning testers?

So, I've been sifting through all the forums and am still not 100% certain what to do and how to interpret it. The two strats seem to be 1) fill soda bottle with bottling wand, squeeze out the air space and cap, versus 2) fill soda bottle with bottling wand and cap it with the air space still inside.

My guess is that both methods work, but that #1 would take longer to "inflate" than #2. Which is a better or safer match to what is happening in the glass bottles?

Thanks for any extra information!


YeastHerder is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2013, 05:25 AM   #2
501irishred
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
501irishred's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Benton, Arkansas
Posts: 1,252
Liked 124 Times on 99 Posts
Likes Given: 29

Default

Either way all you're going to be able to tell is that "something" is happening and perhaps keep the paranoia under control for a couple weeks till you can "test" a bottle by pouring it in a glass.... I usually use method #2 you mentioned, and simply check that it is getting firmer as time goes on. Once they're bottled, theres nothing to do but wait anyway, this just makes waiting a little more bearable.

(EDIT) - woops, didn't notice this was in the Cider Forum... If your referring to back sweetened bottles, needing an indicator on when to pasteurize etc, please wait for someone more knowledgeable than I on the subject to comment...... I'd hate to be responsible for a cider bottle bombing!


__________________
Whiskey's too rough, champagne costs too much, vodka puts my mouth in gear
This little refrain should help me explain as a matter of fact I like beer - Tom T Hall
501irishred is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2013, 01:18 PM   #3
CiderRules
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 64
Liked 5 Times on 4 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Your glass bottles have a headspace, right?
Wouldn't it make sense to let the soda bottle replicate it in anyway? I can understand the fears of oxidation, as plastic is permeable to oxygen, but squeezing the headspace out would hardly change that (from my own understand, someone please correct me if I am wrong).

Anywho, for my last batch of semi-sweet cider I used a plastic tester with headspace. As soon as it felt like a basketball and I saw noticeable bubbles at the top of the bottle I cracked one open to check. Pretty good. Waited a few more days then pasteurized. Everything went fine, no bottle bombs or anything.
CiderRules is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2013, 01:27 PM   #4
thadius856
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
thadius856's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Marysville
Posts: 2,277
Liked 662 Times on 259 Posts
Likes Given: 155

Default

I bottle in 1L PET bottles for shipping. O2 permeation through plastic is the least of my worries.

It's not a very quick process. Unless you're bottling with a counter-pressure device, you're likely bottling more O2 in the headspace than will ever enter through the plastic sides.
__________________
Was this post helpful? Don't forget to click 'Like'!

Thadius Miller, Project Manager -> RaspberryPints

Before you build a keezer, look at this!
Chest Freezer Spec Sheets and Layout Drawings (15 models and counting)
thadius856 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2013, 04:39 PM   #5
YeastHerder
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: San Dimas, CA
Posts: 144
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

To be clear, I'm not looking to instigate flame wars between the different ways of doing it, just wanting a clear practical picture on how to tell for method 1/2 its ready based on criteria X/Y..
YeastHerder is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2013, 05:24 PM   #6
LeBreton
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Finger Lakes, NY
Posts: 1,119
Liked 95 Times on 83 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CiderRules View Post
Your glass bottles have a headspace, right?
Wouldn't it make sense to let the soda bottle replicate it in anyway? I can understand the fears of oxidation, as plastic is permeable to oxygen, but squeezing the headspace out would hardly change that (from my own understand, someone please correct me if I am wrong).
Agreed, leave the headspace to be more like the glass bottles you are tracking.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about oxygen penetrating through the plastic. The cider won't be in there long enough (my plastic squeeze bottle gets drunk while the glass bottles pasteurize), and as mentioned above, the headspace will be the main driving force of oxidation. In Europe, there are commercial ciders bottled in plastic which taste fine.
__________________
In all the states no door stands wider,
To ask you in to drink hard cider
LeBreton is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2013, 07:13 PM   #7
501irishred
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
501irishred's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Benton, Arkansas
Posts: 1,252
Liked 124 Times on 99 Posts
Likes Given: 29

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YeastHerder View Post
To be clear, I'm not looking to instigate flame wars between the different ways of doing it, just wanting a clear practical picture on how to tell for method 1/2 its ready based on criteria X/Y..
Again, no expert at backsweetening, but the process of using a PET bottle to tell if you are getting carbonation should still be the same as what I use for a standard bottle conditioned beer....Only an indicator and not a precise anything. Unless someone here has a different opinion, Id still say to wait till the bottle is pushed back to shape (in method 1) or bottle is firm (in method 2) and simply try one before pasteurizing. Using method 2, leaving the head space, you should be able to use your PET bottle as your first test sample so you're not burning one of your glass bottles. Using method 1, its not likely to give a good representation of actual conditions since the internal pressure is not going to be the same as in the glass bottles. Remember to chill the sample before trying it to make sure the C02 has a chance to dissolve in solution.
__________________
Whiskey's too rough, champagne costs too much, vodka puts my mouth in gear
This little refrain should help me explain as a matter of fact I like beer - Tom T Hall
501irishred is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2013, 06:48 PM   #8
Lammyrock
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 23
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

I can confirm that CiderRules is correct -in my experience.
Lammyrock is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 07:36 PM   #9
YeastHerder
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: San Dimas, CA
Posts: 144
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Thanks all!
YeastHerder is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2013, 05:18 AM   #10
MindenMan
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Carson City, Nv
Posts: 2,077
Liked 300 Times on 225 Posts
Likes Given: 50

Default

I am still confused here: Is, or why is carbonating cider in a bottle different than carbonating beer in a bottle? Wouldn't they both work the same? Let's say I have a batch of cider, and the the gravity has been steady for three days, why wouldn't I add the appropriate amount of priming sugar just like it was beer? Please advise.


MindenMan is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plastic soda bottles ArcLight Bottling/Kegging 10 10-30-2012 12:22 PM
Plastic soda bottle to displace beer in keg with CO2? AnchorBock Bottling/Kegging 20 04-23-2012 05:57 PM
Nalgene vs Soda Bottles for Bottle Conditioning & Camping alexdagrate Bottling/Kegging 2 12-14-2011 05:56 PM
plastic soda bottles nyer Bottling/Kegging 8 08-11-2008 09:17 PM
Conditioning Soda Kegs Creep City Brews Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 7 12-10-2005 11:57 PM


Forum Jump

Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS