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Old 03-23-2013, 01:43 PM   #21
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Bowing down to these ridiculous laws is tantamount to endorsing them. Brew away and sell whatever you want just be careful about to whom and whatever fine you have to pay will certainly be less than the costs of compliance. I have seen brokers steal a quarter million dollars from their clients and get a $20,000 fine for it. Our laws are oppressive but in shear quantity unenforceable. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus and you have the same right to ignore unjust laws. What jury will convict you? Everyone in this country feels this way.
Yeah! This is the same philosophy that coke and meth slingers follow, and you never see them getting busted!


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Bowing down to these ridiculous laws is tantamount to endorsing them. Brew away and sell whatever you want just be careful about to whom and whatever fine you have to pay will certainly be less than the costs of compliance. I have seen brokers steal a quarter million dollars from their clients and get a $20,000 fine for it. Our laws are oppressive but in shear quantity unenforceable. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus and you have the same right to ignore unjust laws. What jury will convict you? Everyone in this country feels this way.
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What the heck are you talking about? This is terrible advice. The difficulty of starting a successful business has far less than to do with unjust laws than it has to do with the fact that succeeding in a capitalist system is MEANT to be hard work, and many are going to fail as a result. If OP wants to start a business with every fiber of his being, he should, and if he works hard, and is smart about his business steps, he can make it. He shouldn't risk his enterprise violating laws, and even if he did, in no way is it comparable to Rosa Parks.
I couldn't agree more. This is horrible advice.

This is especially irresponsible advice for a brewer. If you are caught ignoring laws, you will not just 'pay a fine that is less than the cost of compliance'. You will lose your business in totality. They will prohibit you from ever brewing for distribution again. Ever.

For the love of all that is fermented and foamy - ignore this Jackass!


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Bowing down to these ridiculous laws is tantamount to endorsing them. Brew away and sell whatever you want just be careful about to whom and whatever fine you have to pay will certainly be less than the costs of compliance. I have seen brokers steal a quarter million dollars from their clients and get a $20,000 fine for it. Our laws are oppressive but in shear quantity unenforceable. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus and you have the same right to ignore unjust laws. What jury will convict you? Everyone in this country feels this way.
I don't agree with you. But you bring up a very valid point.....enforcing homebrewing laws are so far down the priority list for any agency mainly due to the sheer number of laws that are supposed to be enforced. There are people who would argue that that is not the case....but still can't find any evidence of that. It reminds me of law that a local city is putting through regarding outside lightbulbs. You can be fined for not installing the right kind of lightbulb on your front porch!! Of course the city council freely admits that they don't have any money to actually enforce this law. Their feeling is that most people will follow the law...just because it's the law and the "problem" will be solved.
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The main ingredients in starting any business are:
1) Experience in related field
2) A desirable product or service
3) CASH FLOW/CAPITAL
4) Marketing
5) And in your case, location.

You can create variable operating costs and run lean by starting a nano but I highly recommend more than 6mos salary be set aside if this is to be sole source of income. You can do anything with the proper planning. Following a dream is better than following a nightmare. Good luck with your dream. Oh, and food for thought, it's real difficult to manage a biz and normalcy in your family life.
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What I want to do (not like it's going to happen) is have a Pub with food and brew on site just for the bar. That way all the money I've spent on brewing will not go to waist. I can still do craft beer and change what I'm making all the time. In some states I think they let bars brew on site?
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What I want to do (not like it's going to happen) is have a Pub with food and brew on site just for the bar. That way all the money I've spent on brewing will not go to waist. I can still do craft beer and change what I'm making all the time. In some states I think they let bars brew on site?
Read Sam Calagione's brewing up a business. That's how he started dogfish head but mind you he had at least 100k in investment from friends & family.

Do you have any experience running a restaurant?
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I don't agree with you. But you bring up a very valid point.....enforcing homebrewing laws are so far down the priority list for any agency mainly due to the sheer number of laws that are supposed to be enforced. There are people who would argue that that is not the case....but still can't find any evidence of that. It reminds me of law that a local city is putting through regarding outside lightbulbs. You can be fined for not installing the right kind of lightbulb on your front porch!! Of course the city council freely admits that they don't have any money to actually enforce this law. Their feeling is that most people will follow the law...just because it's the law and the "problem" will be solved.
The problem is that once you sell a beer you stop being a "homebrewer" and are then subject to the rules and regulations of the Department of Health and Sanitation, whose very purpose of existence is to travel around and enforce their codes.
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Bowing down to these ridiculous laws is tantamount to endorsing them. Brew away and sell whatever you want just be careful about to whom and whatever fine you have to pay will certainly be less than the costs of compliance. I have seen brokers steal a quarter million dollars from their clients and get a $20,000 fine for it. Our laws are oppressive but in shear quantity unenforceable. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus and you have the same right to ignore unjust laws. What jury will convict you? Everyone in this country feels this way.
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What the heck are you talking about? This is terrible advice. The difficulty of starting a successful business has far less than to do with unjust laws than it has to do with the fact that succeeding in a capitalist system is MEANT to be hard work, and many are going to fail as a result. If OP wants to start a business with every fiber of his being, he should, and if he works hard, and is smart about his business steps, he can make it. He shouldn't risk his enterprise violating laws, and even if he did, in no way is it comparable to Rosa Parks.
Dang. And here I was all set to fire up Rosa Parks Brewing! dang....
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The main ingredients in starting any business are:
1) Experience in related field
2) A desirable product or service
3) CASH FLOW/CAPITAL
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5) And in your case, location.

You can create variable operating costs and run lean by starting a nano but I highly recommend more than 6mos salary be set aside if this is to be sole source of income. You can do anything with the proper planning. Following a dream is better than following a nightmare. Good luck with your dream. Oh, and food for thought, it's real difficult to manage a biz and normalcy in your family life.
Don't forget procurement and distribution. Without those you have no product. Easy to look past
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Bowing down to these ridiculous laws is tantamount to endorsing them. Brew away and sell whatever you want just be careful about to whom and whatever fine you have to pay will certainly be less than the costs of compliance. I have seen brokers steal a quarter million dollars from their clients and get a $20,000 fine for it. Our laws are oppressive but in shear quantity unenforceable. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus and you have the same right to ignore unjust laws. What jury will convict you? Everyone in this country feels this way.
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