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Old 02-27-2013, 01:32 AM   #1
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So Susquehanna Brewing Company out of Pittston, PA, makes a great pils that is on tap throughout the area and I think it's a great brew. It's called Pils Noir. Here's my quandary: Right on the bottle it tells you that it is naturally darkened using a traditional technique called a decoction mash. But this beer is as dark as a porter with those ruby hues when held to the light. It isn't called pils noir for nothing! Now, I know that their brewmaster is Weihenstephan-trained, but can you really do that? Can you turn an almost all-pilsener grist into a beer with the color of a porter (I couldn't give you srm values but I'm not talking about just a slightly dark pils - I mean DARK)? Or can I possibly call shenanigans on this brew? I'm really interested in this, please let me know what you think.



 
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:52 AM   #2
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<<I know that their brewmaster is Weihenstephan-trained>>

My undergrad chemical engineering degree is from the Univ of Maryland, my M.S. in electrical engineering is from Wilkes, and my Ph.D. coursework in engineering at Oxford was great...but I did not stay the additional 3 years that Dissertaion work would have required; I spent 1983 as a Praktikant, an Apprentice in the bavarian breweries of Patrizier-Bräu AG, and have a Zeugnis document...I was learning in the labs of Weihenstephan only for three weeks of that year. SO I am not a Weihenstephaner.

<<Can you turn an almost all-pilsener grist into a beer with the color of a porter>> 10% of its grist is Crystal 150 malt, so the may is pretty brown/dark prior to decoction. As you may know, we are one of only a handful of breweries in the world that separates husk and adds it at the latter tun, so we can aggressively boil the mash at very high temperatures in decoction without evoking the terrible flavors that come out when one boils mash with husk aggressively. In the decoction boil of at least 60 min duration, the mash goes from dark to Black.

It is not a typical schwarzbier. Here's a discussion that offers insights on why I claim it is the world's first black pilsner, a Northern german Pilsner except for its color:
http://www.fuggled.net/2012/09/oh-ffs.html#comment-form

Thx, Jaime



 
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:27 AM   #3
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I double decocted a Bock, didn't darken it that much.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:54 AM   #4
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Our decoction kettle works at 338 deg F, just as a reference point. It takes about one hour of vigor decoction boiling to move color from brown mash to deeply dark.

 
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:03 AM   #5
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That's pretty awesome



 
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