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Old 02-26-2013, 10:05 PM   #1
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Hey guys. Brand new to the website - I absolutely love the amount of information floating around here.

For my very first question:

Is there a method of selecting a yeast that will die off at a reasonable ABV in order to create a sweet sparkling cider through bottle carbing without having to pasturize?

White Labs website

http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/homebrew_strains.html

lists "medium" tolerance as 5-10%. Can this be manipulated to provide, say 8%? Then managing SG and bottling on time would (in my ridiculously noobish mind) give you the ability to create a bone simple way to eliminate pasturizing.

Does killing the yeast off with ABV cause off flavours? What are the pros/cons to this approach?

I intend to use PET bottles... is that acceptable?

Thanks guys. I need all the help I can get!

-Scott



 
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:09 AM   #2
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Hey guys. Brand new to the website - I absolutely love the amount of information floating around here.

For my very first question:

Is there a method of selecting a yeast that will die off at a reasonable ABV in order to create a sweet sparkling cider through bottle carbing without having to pasturize?

White Labs website

http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/homebrew_strains.html

lists "medium" tolerance as 5-10%. Can this be manipulated to provide, say 8%? Then managing SG and bottling on time would (in my ridiculously noobish mind) give you the ability to create a bone simple way to eliminate pasturizing.

Does killing the yeast off with ABV cause off flavours? What are the pros/cons to this approach?

I intend to use PET bottles... is that acceptable?

Thanks guys. I need all the help I can get!

-Scott
Far too inconsistent to deliver satisfactory results...sorbate, sulfite, backsweeten and force carb in a keg.



 
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:14 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by brokendownyota
Hey guys. Brand new to the website - I absolutely love the amount of information floating around here.

For my very first question:

Is there a method of selecting a yeast that will die off at a reasonable ABV in order to create a sweet sparkling cider through bottle carbing without having to pasturize?

White Labs website

http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/homebrew_strains.html

lists "medium" tolerance as 5-10%. Can this be manipulated to provide, say 8%? Then managing SG and bottling on time would (in my ridiculously noobish mind) give you the ability to create a bone simple way to eliminate pasturizing.

Does killing the yeast off with ABV cause off flavours? What are the pros/cons to this approach?

I intend to use PET bottles... is that acceptable?

Thanks guys. I need all the help I can get!

-Scott
Very dangerous and unpredictable. You're more likely to explode your bottles than anything else.

 
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:42 PM   #4
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We don't sulfite our homebrew ciders, we do backsweeten with splenda or one of the other non-fermentable sweeteners. We have had ciders in the bottle for over a year without any spoilage. I don't know about longer than that as they have never lasted longer than that.

 
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:38 PM   #5
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We don't sulfite our homebrew ciders, we do backsweeten with splenda or one of the other non-fermentable sweeteners. We have had ciders in the bottle for over a year without any spoilage. I don't know about longer than that as they have never lasted longer than that.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:25 PM   #6
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Stovetop pasteurization is pretty easy, why don't you get it to the alcohol level you want and then just pasteurize it on the stove?
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:31 AM   #7
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The problem...stovetop pasteurize, may lose bottles. Don't stovetop pasteurize, may lose bottles. I haven't pasteurized any of mine ever for a couple years. No gushers. No bombs. Done maybe 40+ batches. I get the whole bottle bomb fear and have my procedure of racking carefully and cold crashing and bottling. I don't have a keg and I don't use chems. Just gotta experiment. Not saying there's anything wrong with stovetop but that scares me more about bottle bombs than anything else. Nothing wrong with Pappers technique. Just gotta do it right. I use 1L swingtops and love the practicality of em (3 glasses per bottle!), but hard to stovetop pasteurize them. I age them and give them out and insist they put them in their fridge and I always get my bottles back. That's when the friends get more...when they return my 1L swingtops!

 
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:47 PM   #8
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Can I stovetop pasturize in PET bottles?

 
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:48 PM   #9
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Can I stovetop pasturize in PET bottles?
I really don't think so... I have not used them but pretty sure they will melt
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:56 PM   #10
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Can I stovetop pasturize in PET bottles?
I doubt it, but pasteurizable PET bottles do exist. http://www.crowncork.com/press_room/...e.php/20011015


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