Coldbreak Brewing Giveaway - Open to All!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > General Beer Discussion > What's with all the random German vocab in the homebrewing world?
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-22-2013, 05:05 AM   #1
strantor
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Katy, TX
Posts: 84
Liked 78 Times on 12 Posts
Likes Given: 36

Default What's with all the random German vocab in the homebrewing world?

I haven't been brewing that long, so bear with me. I couldn't help but notice that among the pundits of brewing, there is a strict unspoken insistence upon using the German words for some thing and not for others; things seemingly chosen at random.
For example:
Krausen - I see no reason this should not be called a "foam layer."
Vorlauf - I see no reason this should not be called "recycling."
Lauter - I see no reason this should not be called "filtering."

I can't think of any more right now, but I'm sure there are more. I do no see the need for using the German words for these because they are not proper nouns, and some are verbs. I can understand Hefeweizen, Kolsch, Bock, etc. because these are proper nouns. These are the names of the beers. But Krausen? That's not a name. Why are we using the German word for it?

I asked a guy at a LHBS event why we use "vorlauf" and he said there was no word for it in English.


strantor is offline
fredthecat Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 05:08 AM   #2
MyNameIsPaul
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
MyNameIsPaul's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Tomball, TX
Posts: 1,072
Liked 159 Times on 130 Posts
Likes Given: 157

Default

It'll be OK.


Oh, and Reinheitsgebot!


MyNameIsPaul is offline
3
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 05:20 AM   #3
bad67z
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
bad67z's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 1,887
Liked 109 Times on 77 Posts
Likes Given: 26

Default

and don't forget "Tun"

I would guess many of the words are in German because they were the ones who spent many years mastering the process and produced most of the early righting about the process.
bad67z is offline
Stauffbier Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 05:24 AM   #4
stevo4361
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Basin, WY
Posts: 342
Liked 51 Times on 42 Posts
Likes Given: 4

Default

Exactly! Part of the glorious history of bier! Alles klar?
stevo4361 is offline
Stauffbier Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 05:24 AM   #5
MyNameIsPaul
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
MyNameIsPaul's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Tomball, TX
Posts: 1,072
Liked 159 Times on 130 Posts
Likes Given: 157

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bad67z View Post
and don't forget "Tun"

I would guess many of the words are in German because they were the ones who spent many years mastering the process and produced most of the early righting about the process.
Yup
I'm just glad to.be able to make my own. I don't really care about the terminology involved, just keep it cold and keep'em coming.
MyNameIsPaul is offline
Stauffbier Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 05:24 AM   #6
homebrewdad
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
homebrewdad's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,243
Liked 373 Times on 271 Posts
Likes Given: 251

Default

You realize that vast chunks of the English language are basically stolen from other languages, right?

I'm guessing that the terms have stuck due to the fact that a huge part of our brewing heritage traces back to Germany.

Feel free to use whatever terminology you want, but understand that the terms you disparage are standard issue; other homebrewers are likely to ignore you (or to point and laugh) when you refuse to use proper terms.
__________________
Homebrew Dad - blogging about making my own beer and raising a lot of kids.
Check out the priming sugar calculator, yeast starter calculator, and the beer calorie calculator.
homebrewdad is offline
Rev2010 Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 05:52 AM   #7
BrewKnurd
Formerly discnjh
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
BrewKnurd's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Prairieville, LA
Posts: 2,765
Liked 243 Times on 201 Posts
Likes Given: 112

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by strantor View Post
I haven't been brewing that long, so bear with me. I couldn't help but notice that among the pundits of brewing, there is a strict unspoken insistence upon using the German words for some thing and not for others; things seemingly chosen at random.
For example:
Krausen - I see no reason this should not be called a "foam layer."
Vorlauf - I see no reason this should not be called "recycling."
Lauter - I see no reason this should not be called "filtering."

I can't think of any more right now, but I'm sure there are more. I do no see the need for using the German words for these because they are not proper nouns, and some are verbs. I can understand Hefeweizen, Kolsch, Bock, etc. because these are proper nouns. These are the names of the beers. But Krausen? That's not a name. Why are we using the German word for it?

I asked a guy at a LHBS event why we use "vorlauf" and he said there was no word for it in English.
Go for it?

I don't think it's a random insistence. Vorlauf more clearly specifies what you're talking about than recycling, which could refer to any number of things. Filtering can be done at different steps in the process. So sure, you can say "filter and drain the wort from the tun", or you can say lauter. One is clearly quicker and easier to me, but that's just a personal preference.

And I agree with the hbs dude. Your suggestion of recycle is not a direct synonym for vorlauf. Unless you think you could walk up to a knowledgeable brewer and ask them "do you recycle?" and get the answer you're looking for. Meanwhile, if you asked if they vorlauf, most would know what you meant.

Anyways, I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that there are, in fact, reasons to use the German words.
__________________
Fake it til you make it.
BrewKnurd is offline
2
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 09:53 AM   #8
VladOfTrub
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: , Pa
Posts: 695
Liked 155 Times on 104 Posts
Likes Given: 217

Default

When I go to Ft. Hood. I have to learn Texanease. It's the same thing, only, different.
VladOfTrub is offline
TwoJays Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 10:12 AM   #9
GunnyB
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 231
Liked 19 Times on 14 Posts

Default

The Marines earned the nickname Teufel Hunden from the Germans
GunnyB is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2013, 02:33 PM   #10
unionrdr
struggling author
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
unionrdr's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Sheffield, Ohio
Posts: 34,648
Liked 2920 Times on 2525 Posts
Likes Given: 2059

Default

Trying to find a word or expression in English just doesnt translate directly or very well from the German words. they work,they're accurate to the process they describe. Good enough since they've become common usage.


__________________
My sci-fi & home brewing books on amazon-kindle now! New additions coming!
NEW, REVISED EDITION of book one of Time Lords 2034 series now on Amazon Kindle! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NTA0L6G
My homebrewing book "Tippy Tippy Tappy" on Kindle! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PBAP6JO
unionrdr is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
German Domestics vs. German Export bound for the US market. BootsyFlanootsy Commercial Brew Discussion 10 05-04-2012 06:04 PM
Busy weekend in the world of homebrewing jtkratzer General Beer Discussion 1 11-29-2010 02:33 AM
Just got back from a trip around the World (Disney World)... Recusit8m General Beer Discussion 4 10-08-2009 07:04 PM
Vocab Question and What Next? Ramsbottom_Brewer Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 5 03-12-2009 01:49 PM
Need Some Vocab Help spie0092 General Techniques 31 02-07-2007 05:14 PM


Forum Jump

Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS