Coldbreak Brewing Giveaway - Winners Drawn!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Electric Brewing > Help! SPA Panel trips when plugged in
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-17-2013, 09:22 PM   #1
Bear419
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carmel, In
Posts: 75
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 20

Default Help! SPA Panel trips when plugged in

I have a simple eaton spa panel with a 240 50A GFCI breaker. As soon as I plug it in or flip the main breaker it trips. I followed one of P-J's spa panel diagrams and have it wired like this:



I did check for shorts with my multi-meter, and there were no faults between the neutral and ground and the hots. I did notice a slight buzzing when I touched the two hots on the output end of the breaker. Is that normal.


Bear419 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 09:32 PM   #2
Chrisl77
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Jackson, New Jersey
Posts: 794
Liked 55 Times on 46 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Can you take a pic of your wiring inside the gfci panel? I am thinking you have the ground and neutral wire tied together after the gfci? If you do that is probably why it is tripping.


__________________
Ocean County home brew club
Chrisl77 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 04:11 AM   #3
Bear419
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carmel, In
Posts: 75
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 20

Default Pic of the Panel

Here is a pic. The green wire is actually the neutral coming from a 3 wire range outlet. I run a wire from the neutral bus to the ground bus, and also have the neutral wire from the breaker join the neutral bus. The breaker trips even when I don't have anything wired to the breaker outputs.

Bear419 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 09:41 AM   #4
thargrav
Registered User
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Huntsville, Alabama
Posts: 821
Liked 38 Times on 35 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

I see the black wire from the ground to neutral. Although this is OK because you only have 3 wires coming in and electricity is color blind this wire should be white, green or have no insulation to prevent confusion later.

Also, the spliced green & black wire is dangerous - the connection may be good now but if that splice were to open up you will have a floating ground & have a voltage on everything metal that could shock you.

The white wire running from one of the breaker out terminals to the neutral bus is probably what's tripping your breaker.
thargrav is offline
Bear419 Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 04:39 PM   #5
Bear419
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carmel, In
Posts: 75
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 20

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thargrav View Post

The white wire running from one of the breaker out terminals to the neutral bus is probably what's tripping your breaker.
Thanks. I will take care to clean up the wiring.

As for the white wire going to the neutral bus. This is the wire that came pre-installed on the breaker.

According to this P-J diagram I thought it needed to be attached to the neutral bus. Is this not the case?

Bear419 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 05:45 PM   #6
Bear419
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carmel, In
Posts: 75
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 20

Default Bad breaker?

With the breaker unwired and in the off position to took an ohm reading of the two hot outputs and got a resistance reading less than infinte. That doesn't make sense to me. Is this a sign of a bad breaker?

Bear419 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 07:43 PM   #7
Bear419
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carmel, In
Posts: 75
Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 20

Default Resolved!

It was a bad breaker. I left the wiring as is and swapped out breakers and it works as intended. From my meter readings there seems like there was an internal short in the breaker.


Bear419 is offline
 
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pump trips gfci, but only when I turn it off?!?! Dgonza9 Electric Brewing 16 05-07-2012 03:39 AM
GFCI trips continuously--advice neede djdixon1995 Electric Brewing 12 01-28-2012 04:33 AM
Traeger always trips my outlets HoppyDaze General Chit Chat 9 05-19-2010 12:47 PM
Beer Trips DeRoux's Broux Commercial Brew Discussion 7 12-01-2005 02:19 PM


Forum Jump

Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS