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Old 09-17-2007, 06:04 AM   #1
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How would you go about making an IIPA out of an IPA kit or an Imperial Stout out of a regular stout kit? I am a total n00b and am curious how that would work, or if it would even be possible.

Also, what would happen if I just used two of the kits in one batch?

 
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:36 AM   #2
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Dark horse brewery in Mich has a good IIPA and a great IPA. For thier Double Crooked Tree recipe they double everything in thier Crooked recipe, Exept the water. It is strong 13.6% ABV, but is good, Most other recipes I've seen just double the hops.

 
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:24 PM   #3
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Increasing hops is easy, simply add more hops. Increasing ABV is a LOT trickier. You have to add more fermentable sugars, usually in the form of malt extract, but you can't make the wort too thick or it will inhibit the yeast. Also, most yeast cannot handle alcohol levels above 6% or so, so you would have to use special yeast to get into the Imperial Stout range.

Best to stick with easy, simple beers to learn the process. Once you can make good "normal size" beers, then start messing around with the special styles. I've been brewing for nearly a year and I've never tried anything over normal stout range. Yet.

EDIT: Check out this recent thread for a discussion on how to brew big beers.


 
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:05 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies. I was thinking that just doubling the extract would do it, but I assumed that some other adjustments would need to be made. Perhaps adding a little extra water and different yeast would make it turn out? I wonder if it would still taste good though
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Old 09-17-2007, 06:10 PM   #5
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Yep, but the hops need to keep pace as well, to balance the sweet. Also, the higher gravity wort will inhibit the amount of alpha acids that are placed in solution in the wort during the boil of bittering hops. So, if you double the fermentables/extract, you will actually need to boost the hops quit a bit. Smarter people on here than me can probably give an idea of how much more hops are needed (which would depend on your wort gravity).
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:14 AM   #6
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So if I were to go with the two-kit method, what steps should I take? I need expert opinions and concrete answers here! What yeast? How much extra water? How much extra hops? Etc?

And what is the worst that could happen doing this? Flat beer? Crap beer?

Sorry, I feel like a man on a mission who isn't at all prepared for his mission!
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:09 AM   #7
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If you double the amount of malt and keep the water the same then you will roughly double the ABV.

If you are keeping it below 8% hen you can use the same amount of yeast. You may want to use a yeast that has an higer attenuation.

But there again you may want a maltier brew to counteract the Alcohol bite.

Using a software like Beersmith or the web based recipator will help you work it out.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:05 AM   #8
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It doesn't say anything about yeast but check out thier description of the double crooked tree http://www.darkhorsebrewery.com/our_brews.asp
They have some good beers. I want to get out to thier brewery one of these days.

 
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:20 AM   #9
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http://www.midwestsupplies.com/produ...px?ProdID=6469


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Old 09-18-2007, 08:20 PM   #10
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If you double the amount of malt and keep the water the same then you will roughly double the ABV.

If you are keeping it below 8% hen you can use the same amount of yeast. You may want to use a yeast that has an higer attenuation.

But there again you may want a maltier brew to counteract the Alcohol bite.

Using a software like Beersmith or the web based recipator will help you work it out.
If it is going to be higher than 8% then which yeast should I use?
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