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Old 02-03-2013, 07:25 PM   #11
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An advanced home brewer is somebody who can double decoction mash an authentic really good pilsner...Any jerk-o can make a pale or ipa.
A truly advanced brewer has brewed enough to recognize the myth of decotion....
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:33 PM   #12
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Denny...most of the old world Pilsners still do a deoction. Is it because europeans are stubborn luddites? No...it is because they care about making the beer taste right.

You can go ahead and use highly efficient 2 row to make a pilsner style. But less modified grains mashed with more time and love always seem to produce a crisper, cereal like finish that can't be done if you rush it.

 
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:36 PM   #13
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Advanced is the guy who's beer is better than yours.

That is, never attainable for yourself, but something that drives you toward perfection but you never quite achieve. And if you consider yourself to have achieved that, we have a different word for that...EAC.
I like this definition. Gotta keep striving to get better.

 
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:51 PM   #14
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Denny...most of the old world Pilsners still do a deoction. Is it because europeans are stubborn luddites? No...it is because they care about making the beer taste right.

You can go ahead and use highly efficient 2 row to make a pilsner style. But less modified grains mashed with more time and love always seem to produce a crisper, cereal like finish that can't be done if you rush it.
It's nearly impossible to find undermodified malt. In addition, tests I've done show that most people can't identify or don't have a preference for decocted beers. I use Best pils malt with a single infusion to make great pilsners. If anyone wants to do a decoction, be my guest. But I don't feel you shuld necessarily expect a superior beer.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:00 PM   #15
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An advanced homebrewer is someone drawing social security and older than me.

 
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An advanced home brewer is somebody who can double decoction mash an authentic really good pilsner...Any jerk-o can make a pale or ipa.
Well, anybody that can follow instructions can do a double decoction. It's simple calculations. And anybody who can brew an ale can brew a lager. Making a great IPA isn't any easier, or harder, than a great German or Bohemian pilsner.

I think "advanced brewing" is something I'll never do and I'll never consider myself "advanced".

I'm always trying to learn or improve something, from newer malt varieties to hops growing, to water chemistry.

I mean, you can always make a BoPils with RO water (with a triple decoction if you want), and then make the same beer with a bit of calcium chloride added to it, and have a different beer. And then trying to decide which is more authentic, or which is preferable can be a bit of a learning experience in itself.

I learn something new all the time, so at this rate I'll never be "advanced"!
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TyTanium- I like that definition. And I now know what EAC stands for! Does that make me one of the cool kids?
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Well, anybody that can follow instructions can do a double decoction. It's simple calculations. And anybody who can brew an ale can brew a lager. Making a great IPA isn't any easier, or harder, than a great German or Bohemian pilsner.

I think "advanced brewing" is something I'll never do and I'll never consider myself "advanced".

I'm always trying to learn or improve something, from newer malt varieties to hops growing, to water chemistry.

I mean, you can always make a BoPils with RO water (with a triple decoction if you want), and then make the same beer with a bit of calcium chloride added to it, and have a different beer. And then trying to decide which is more authentic, or which is preferable can be a bit of a learning experience in itself.

I learn something new all the time, so at this rate I'll never be "advanced"!
"Advancing" not "advanced", right?
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You know what's funny? I consider Denny an expert, and I know others do too. I have watched podcasts with Denny and other brewing gurus, and respect and listen to what they say. I don't always agree with Denny (and we've "argued" over several issues including decoctions and FWH!) but I totally respect the science behind what he says. I also like the contributions people like Denny have given to us- working with the AHA, making batch sparging quick and easy for brewers, sharing experiences.

I think that's what is great about homebrewers- pretty open and we can learn a lot from each other.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:12 PM   #20
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Awwwww, you're too kind!
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