Thanks Nug, I think I got a contamination issue. I used 2 different yeast strains in the separte 5 gallon batches and same funk in both. I was trying to blame it on the mash but I think I gotta accept I just screwed up somewhere along the sanitation process.
The first pumpkin I did was with Extract with whole pumpking and so far that has been the best batch I have made, it was nice and sweet, probably too much for your liking but a hit with SWMBO. Well thanks for your input, back to the drawing board Cheers!