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Old 11-27-2005, 02:14 AM   #1
Sep 2005
Bay Area, California
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What's the most black patent malt you've ever used in a 5 gallon batch, and how was the resulting beer? Some sources (I'm especially thinking Palmer here, in "How to Brew") warn that anything over about 8 ounces will make a beer taste like charcoal. I want to make a porter with no roast, and I'm a bit curious about how much black it'll take to bring out the right color, and what the corresponding flavor effects will be.

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Old 11-27-2005, 02:17 AM   #2
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Black patent is mainly used to add darkness to your beer. The flavor is something you don't want at all. IMHO. I've used 8 oz. with great success, but in my imperial stout I only used 4 oz. because the other malts I used were sufficiently dark.
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Old 11-27-2005, 02:45 AM   #3
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Definitely don't go with too much Black Patent!

If you need to adjust your color afterwards you can always use Sinamar:

SINAMAR® is produced solely from our roasted malt CARAFA® SPECIAL, according to the strict German "Reinheitsgebot" (purity-law). This law allows the brewer to use only the following four ingredients:


To get the characteristic color and extract, SINAMAR® is carefully evaporated in a vacuum process, finely filtered and canisters and containers of different sizes are filled directly at 158°F - 167°F (70 - 75°C).

Due to this special treatment the taste of SINAMAR® is less bitter.
SINAMAR® causes no turbidity and remains pH stable.

According to federal regulations, SINAMAR® does not need to be labeled with a so-called E-number (European Community Number). A declaration as malt extract, barley malt extract or roasted malt extract is sufficient.

SINAMAR® is perfectly suited for coloring foods such as: baked goods, beer, non-alcoholic drinks, spirits, pharmaceutical products and tea etc. SINAMAR® is gluten free.

In order to raise the color of 1 hl beer though 1 EBC, 14 gr. of SINAMAR® is required.

Unopened containers have a 1 year shelf-life.
Once opened, contents should be used immediately and stored cool.
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Old 11-27-2005, 02:00 PM   #4
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Ive used a whole pound before in an experimental brew, but I had 5 other grains and with adjunts, and a heavy hop ratio. You definately could taste the sharpness due to the black patent, but this one turned out great. Of course it was black as midnight ( as pitch, blacker than the foulest witch.)

But like everyone said so far, use sparingly for color 4-8 oz only, unless you are wanting that taste.
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Old 12-01-2005, 01:48 AM   #5
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I use 17 oz in my favorite Porter, very robust, but very tasty!!

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Old 12-01-2005, 01:57 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by BitterRat
I use 17 oz in my favorite Porter, very robust, but very tasty!!

You're tastes are unique my friend.

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Old 12-01-2005, 02:02 AM   #7
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2 oz in a stout. Ate enough charcoal in the Boy Scouts!
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:02 PM   #8
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according to ProMash, 10% should be the max for black malt in a grain bill.
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