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Old 09-11-2007, 12:33 PM   #1
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why are there such strict drinking laws in the US? when i was in Oregon for a year i was 21 and had my northern irish drivers licence as proof. most people wouldnt accept that and demanded my passport which i had to carry around any time i wanted a beer. even then bartenders, waitors would make such a big deal about it. back home here if someone showed a foreign drivers licence as proof of id theyd accept it no problem.
I dont want to sound like a moanin ****er because the microbrews in oregon were amazing, but what are your views towards when a person should be allowed to drink and why is everyone so uptight about it in america?
Then again maybe it was just Oregon. i Dunno.

 
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:37 PM   #2
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Can't speak for Oregon, but in the south it is rough. In Texas, the Blue Laws are ridiculous. It is a big waste of time and effort if you ask me. If we didn't make such a hype out of drinking, then we might not have the "drinking problem" that we all seem to have here (according to our govt.)


 
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:45 PM   #3
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IMHO, the media in this country has made the general public uptight about almost everything. Drinking, smoking, trans-fat, erectile disfuntion, rap music, video games - you name it.

If there's something that you can think of doing, then odds are that there is probably a group somewhere in this country that is try to ban what you want to do or is very strongly opposed to it. That group will seek out media attention and their motion will steam roll. There are some in this country who, rather than think for someselves, just belive most of what the see on TV and read online.

The beauty of free speech.

We can't stop thousands of illegal immigrants from coming here and mooching off of our welfare system, but by golly if an Irishman wants a beer he's going to have to show his passport.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:53 PM   #4
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The people that carded you did so because they fear that they will lose their jobs if the don't or face fines or charges. They probably don't see many REAL out of state licenses, let alone out of country, so they have no idea what one looks like.

Thank the lawyers; they're to blame for almost everything
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:56 PM   #5
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well i suppose things are starting to get more strict here, back when i was 15 i could get served without much trouble but now apparently its a lot tougher to get served if you're underage(18).
i just think that if the goverenment can try you in a court of law at the age of 18 as an adult, then you should be allowed to make the decision at that age whether you can have a drink or not.
This is all none of my business i suppose, but i was just wondering what you guys thought.

 
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:58 PM   #6
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Look at it from the bar's point of view:

They have to make sure you are over 21. Any jackass with a computer and a decent printer could make a card that looks like a ______ driver's license. Passports are much more difficult to fake. The state's liquor laws probably say that the only acceptable forms of ID are US driver's licenses (and military ID) and passports and the bar tenders are trained to recognize these. If the liquor board sends in someone with a fake license from Northern Ireland and the bar tender accepts he/she could loose his/her license and they could fine the bar. Same reason why liquor stores here check EVERYONE"S ID, including 90 year old...if they do it correctly they can't get in trouble.

 
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:03 PM   #7
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i just think that if the goverenment can try you in a court of law at the age of 18 as an adult, then you should be allowed to make the decision at that age whether you can have a drink or not.
This is all none of my business i suppose, but i was just wondering what you guys thought.
And you can join the army and serve or die for you country in war but not drink...yeah it is a long standing debate but the old politicians in DC who get a lot of money from people that have a very strong opinion in the matter (Religious Right, MADD, etc.)

Another aspect of this debate that many people don't get into is how this has become an issue that the Federal Government has taken over. Establishment of alcohol laws is a state right but the strong arm of the Feds have bullied states into changing their laws by threatening to take away funding for schools and roads....OK enough of this

 
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:06 PM   #8
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Drinking laws are so strict because we have so many greedy lawyers and prudes who feel its their duty in life to impart their beliefs on other people.

 
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:06 PM   #9
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Look at it from the bar's point of view:

They have to make sure you are over 21. Any jackass with a computer and a decent printer could make a card that looks like a ______ driver's license. Passports are much more difficult to fake. The state's liquor laws probably say that the only acceptable forms of ID are US driver's licenses (and military ID) and passports and the bar tenders are trained to recognize these. If the liquor board sends in someone with a fake license from Northern Ireland and the bar tender accepts he/she could loose his/her license and they could fine the bar. Same reason why liquor stores here check EVERYONE"S ID, including 90 year old...if they do it correctly they can't get in trouble.

I wish that really was the case, but being a bartender for years, and bouncer for even longer, the sad part is, if you do not card and they are underage, then you get fined or jailed. If they provide you a fake ID then you can actually let them in without recourse. All law enforcment agencies require their underage sting personel to show you their real ID if asked. They are not looking for people that let fakes in, but for the ones that just don't even look or just go through the motions of looking. That does not say that if there is a pattern of allowing blatent fake ID's in, the state will not prosecute, but you can not be held accountable for not being able to recognize a fake ID. Again this all goes back to crazy friggin laws that really need to be updated.


 
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:39 PM   #10
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If young adults were allowed to drink in moderation maybe they wouldnt be dying of alcohol poisoning when they get their 1st taste of freedom in college . They need to be taught responsible drinking

 
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