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View Poll Results: Do you use 5.2 pH Stabilizer and does it have significant benefits?
Yes / Yes. Every time, All the time! 3 11.11%
No, My beer is perfect without it, thanks. 14 51.85%
Sometimes, I tried it but there was no apparent benefit 7 25.93%
How did I get here? I was just trying to get to Tosche Station for some power power converters! 3 11.11%
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:36 AM   #11
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Not only did it not work for me, the heavy sodium load it carries made my beers taste off.
Me too. Mine didn't taste salty, but just weird. I didn't know about water chemistry, and wanted the magic bullet promised by the label. Instead, the beer got worse and the pH wasn't fixed either.

The choices in the poll are bad.

I would have checked "This has no use in brewing and it should be thrown out".


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Old 01-18-2013, 02:39 AM   #12
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So far it seems like they should just stop manufacturing. I picked up a free water test at Home Depot. I am going to send that in tomorrow and hope that the results I get back are usable. It's free sooooo...

Once I have that I will look into tweaking my water chemistry as needed to get an optimal mash. My first batch I got 65-68% efficiency so water may not be a huge issue. That was also without stirring my batch sparge :P
I doubt that free test has was you need for brewing. But if so, that'd be great.

You need to know calcium, magnesium, sulfate, chloride, alkalinity, hardness (CaC03), and bicarbonate.


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Old 01-18-2013, 02:59 AM   #13
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Me too. Mine didn't taste salty, but just weird. I didn't know about water chemistry, and wanted the magic bullet promised by the label. Instead, the beer got worse and the pH wasn't fixed either.

The choices in the poll are bad.

I would have checked "This has no use in brewing and it should be thrown out".
Yeah, the sodium won't necessarily make it taste salty. It accentuates the maltiness in a strange way. Here's what Martin Brungard has to say about it....

SPECIAL NOTE: Five Star 5.2 Stabilizer is indicated by its manufacturer to "lock in your mash and kettle water at a pH of 5.2 regardless of the starting pH of your water". Evidence by homebrewers indicates that this product does not produce a mash pH in the preferred room-temperature range of 5.3 to 5.5. That evidence shows this product does produce some pH moderation in waters with high Residual Alkalinity. However, the mash pH tends to center around 5.8 (room-temperature measurement). While 5.8 pH is acceptable, it is at the upper end of the desirable mashing range. The evidence also shows that in waters with low Residual Alkalinity, this product shows little effect on mash pH. Since Five Star 5.2 Stabilizer is a compound with high sodium content, its use will elevate the sodium concentration in the brewing water. High sodium content can be undesirable from a taste standpoint in beer. Proper alkalinity control of mashing and sparging water may produce more acceptable brewing results for most brewers than with the use of 5.2 Stabilizer.
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The choices in the poll are bad.

I would have checked "This has no use in brewing and it should be thrown out".
Well I was just trying to get a feel for how many people use it and what their experiences with it have been. I am sure you could make your own poll that is way better.
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Well I was just trying to get a feel for how many people use it and what their experiences with it have been. I am sure you could make your own poll that is way better.
Yes, but the only negative choice is "my beer is perfect without it", and my beer sure isn't perfect. That's all I meant.

I really like Five Star, and use many of their products. Unfortunately, the 5.2 buffer not only doesn't work, it can negatively impact the beer besides.
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I prefer to use the EZ water calculator spreadsheet along with salts (epsom, CaCl2, etc.) and little amount of lactic acid... At least you end up having control over your water profile...

Search for it in this forum, there's a huge thread dedicated to it... It's some amazing work...

Are there situations in which pH stabilizers are better than salts/acid/acidic malts? Maybe... but I don't know any myself...
Agreed. I prefer to test a sample, know what I am starting with and make adjustments as needed based on the grain bill.

Plus, once you get the hang of knowing and adjusting your water chemistry, you can develop different water profiles to accentuate different aspects of your beers.
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Brewed 15 times so far, 11 of them all-grain. Ajusted my water profile for 12 of them using the spreadsheet...

It's so easy I wouldn't even think of not doing it...
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Brewed 15 times so far, 11 of them all-grain. Ajusted my water profile for 12 of them using the spreadsheet...

It's so easy I wouldn't even think of not doing it...
Any link to the thread? Or is it an external site that the spreadsheet is on?
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Any link to the thread? Or is it an external site that the spreadsheet is on?
Here: http://www.ezwatercalculator.com

Thread: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f128/ez-...-3-0-a-261001/

Absolutely great stuff...
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