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Old 01-08-2013, 04:33 PM   #21
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"The Amarillo variety, designated VGXP01 c.v., was discovered by Virgil Gamache Farms Inc. in one of their hop yards in Washington State and propagated and introduced by them as Amarillo.[1] Unlike most varieties of hops, which may be acquired and propagated by the purchase of rhizomes, Amarillo hops are privately grown only by Virgil Gamache Farms; also the organization holds a trademark on the name "Amarillo" for hops. The plant is patented"



 
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:50 PM   #22
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doesn't Stan Hieronymus' new book on hops state that there are now 3 farms that grow amarillo? or am i thinking of another hop?

they mentioned it last night on the BN's Sunday Session.


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Old 01-08-2013, 04:58 PM   #23
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Interesting stuff.

The financial side of the forward & spot markets is really fascinating, mainly b/c of the volatility. In theory it's no different than any other commodity, but some of the nuances are extremely fascinating (small farms, new farms, shifting/growing demand, large buyers & small buyers, discrete nature of harvest, etc)...

If I were writing a thesis, I'd have my topic.
I actually wrote a paper on this for my Econ class

 
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:11 PM   #24
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Mosaic, El Dorado, and other very interesting hops are just starting to come into play. Amarillo isn't the only interesting hop in town.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:16 PM   #25
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First Big Oil, Big Tobacco, and now Big Hop. But Big Hop sounds kind of friendly. Maybe I'm missing something, but if someone said you couldn't get amarillo, I'd be like "oh well." This is exactly what happens with proprietary ANYTHING. You get screwed.

 
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:24 PM   #26
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doesn't Stan Hieronymus' new book on hops state that there are now 3 farms that grow amarillo? or am i thinking of another hop?
Yup - I think he licensed it to other farms. Or maybe that was El Dorado.

Awesome read, btw. Really enjoyed the book.

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I actually wrote a paper on this for my Econ class
Care to share any of it? No pressure at all...but you'd have some attentive readers here

 
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:30 PM   #27
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First Big Oil, Big Tobacco, and now Big Hop. But Big Hop sounds kind of friendly. Maybe I'm missing something, but if someone said you couldn't get amarillo, I'd be like "oh well." This is exactly what happens with proprietary ANYTHING. You get screwed.
I think the beauty of hop growing is that it's a collection of small farms. HopUnion kinda makes me nervous if they get top big, but I like a lot of what I see from the hop farming community.

There's a lot of growers working directly with brewers. Very cool. As you said, if they can't get something, they work with the grower to find something else.

 
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:30 PM   #28
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Ammarillo is a patented variety. I believe you can find it by searching for: VGXP01. You will see its held by the Gamache family. So they can decide who grows it and how much. I have no idea if its held to one farm or not, but they would be the ones to decide.

 
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:33 PM   #29
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Yup - I think he licensed it to other farms. Or maybe that was El Dorado.

Awesome read, btw. Really enjoyed the book.

Care to share any of it? No pressure at all...but you'd have some attentive readers here
Haha it was nothing big I got most of my research from here. I basically described the up and down cycle of prices supply and demand and how it effects the types of popular craft beer styles, just the basics I didn't do any independent research.

 
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:50 PM   #30
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Proprietary hops:
Ahtanum
Amarillo
Citra
El Dorado
Mosaic
Palisade
Simcoe
Warrior

And if you look at prices, these tend to be the most expensive hops on the market.



 
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