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Old 01-11-2013, 05:15 PM   #221
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I don't believe that it is but I also do not agree with the whole 21 and over idea.


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Old 01-11-2013, 06:37 PM   #222
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I would say unethical if it was crystal clear they were going to attempt to make beer. I don't see any ethic problem if it was only the equipment and there were no questions on ingredients or yeast.


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Old 01-11-2013, 07:00 PM   #223
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dookie dollar, unethical?
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:52 PM   #224
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I would say unethical if it was crystal clear they were going to attempt to make beer. I don't see any ethic problem if it was only the equipment and there were no questions on ingredients or yeast.
They be getting for their dad or brewing for the school science fair. I think if they're over 18 it's on the buyer.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:14 PM   #225
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One more. An acquaintance of mine from college lives in the city, and has been slowly delving into madness. He thinks he has been screwed out of his inheritance (his family has no money for him to inherit), and thinks he has been barred from working, as he hasnt gotten the jobs he has tried for (he's a dancer, btw... while he is a very good dancer, it is still difficult to get a paying gig).

A few months ago I got a facebook message, "hey James do you have a couch I can crash on for a while?"

Knowing that this would become my problem, and my wife and I would be in a house with a crazy person for an extended period of time (I would likely have to physically eject him) I ignored the message twice.

He is currently living on the street as of a few weeks ago.

Unethical to not help a friend in need?
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:28 PM   #226
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I think it depends on the situation.

If the person is aware of their problem and trying to do something about it and just needs some temporary help then I think you should help.

If the person isn't trying to fix their problems or won't acknowledge their problems, there is not much you can do. You really don't want his situation to spill over into your life. It won't help either of you. Sometimes hitting rock bottom is what a person needs to get some help. Keeping in touch and being there when that happens is the main thing.

I have a brother who is bi-polar. He can't keep a job. He's been homeless a few times for very short periods of time. He is tough to deal with. He refuses to stay on his meds, and won't admit he's got problems. He's alienated a lot of my family by 'crashing' at their houses for months at a time until they kick him out. When he's medicated, he's fine. When he's not he waffles between sleeping for days and manic episodes that go on and on. He drinks to self-medicate.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:33 PM   #227
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It just gets tiring when someone is not willing to help themself yet continually wants to involve you in their personal drama.
I have taught my wife about tough love and it took a few years but we are not allowing others to spnge off of us financially, mentally, spritually or emotionally anymore.
Basically it comes to if they are draining you, how can you take care of you and yours?
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If you do let him stay at your house you should make some sort agreement with him that if he isn't doing anything to help himself he has to leave.
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Reminds me of a favorite William S. Burroughs quote (actually, all his quotes are my favorite, even if I probably wouldnt have liked him personally)

"If, after having been exposed to a person's presence, you feel as if you have lost a quote of plasma... avoid that presence. You need it like you need pernicious anemia."
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Quote:
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Reminds me of a favorite William S. Burroughs quote (actually, all his quotes are my favorite, even if I probably wouldnt have liked him personally)

"If, after having been exposed to a person's presence, you feel as if you have lost a quote of plasma... avoid that presence. You need it like you need pernicious anemia."
Wow, I work with a few people like that.


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