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Old 01-04-2013, 03:03 AM   #71
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It is illegal in the majority of places.
Apparently it isn't where I live. I plan on clarifying for academic purposes, but let's just say I'm pretty familiar with the NYS penal law, and according to what I read, they refer to networks specifically.


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I think the OP said he did pay for it.
He did say that, but my comment was in general response.

As far as the OP goes, I think he should ask to use the neighbors wireless. If he doesn't have explicit permission then he shouldn't use it.


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Apparently it isn't where I live. I plan on clarifying for academic purposes, but let's just say I'm pretty familiar with the NYS penal law, and according to what I read, they refer to networks specifically.
Fair enough, I caught that earlier but the point still remains. It's illegal most places.
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It is illegal in the vast majority of places.
Really? Can you provide any evidence of that? I can't find anything to say that it is.

Like I said, in my neck of the woods the custom is to indicate that you are willing to share your wifi by leaving it broadcast and unlocked. It's not stealing if I'm inviting you to use it.

If I stick a couch on the driveway with a sign that reads "free", I probably shouldn't be surprised if it's not there when I come home. The taker isn't stealing. The implication is that anyone who wishes to take the couch is invited to do so.
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So when you connect to your neighbor's wi-fi you get a popup that says "take me I'm free", or "you have my permission to use this network"?

There is a link back in post #22.
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So when you connect to your neighbor's wi-fi you get a popup that says "take me I'm free", or "you have my permission to use this network"?

There is a link back in post #22.
In reference to the point you make here, read this article from Wired:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/0...ifi_squatting/

Their sources seem pretty legit. Apparently it is still a gray area, but one that is becoming more lenient as the technology spreads. Furthermore, ignorance of permission seems to be a valid defense. Interesting since ignorance of the law isn't in most cases.
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Regardless of any laws, I find it unacceptable to take something that isn't yours. A neighbor's Internet service isn't yours. To me it's a matter of principle.
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So when you connect to your neighbor's wi-fi you get a popup that says "take me I'm free", or "you have my permission to use this network"?

There is a link back in post #22.
Did you read the link?

I didn't go through all 50 states, but the ones I did look at use language very similar to what Airborneguy describes for New York. In other words: it's not as obvious as you'd like it to be.

Implicit permission is a common question in the law. The issue comes down to reasonable interpretations of intent. As I keep saying, among everyone I know an open wifi router is explicitly intended as an invitation for the public to hop on.

As a side note, do you really need to drench your responses in sarcasm? This is just a friendly conversation here.
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Did you read the link?

I didn't go through all 50 states, but the ones I did look at use language very similar to what Airborneguy describes for New York. In other words: it's not as obvious as you'd like it to be.
Which is why I said most, rather than all.


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Implicit permission is a common question in the law. The issue comes down to reasonable interpretations of intent. As I keep saying, among everyone I know an open wifi router is explicitly intended as an invitation for the public to hop on.
I have no particular problem if you have a Gentlemen's Agreement to use each other's stuff. However, because that is your way doesn't grant permission to assume it's everybody's way.


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As a side note, do you really need to drench your responses in sarcasm? This is just a friendly conversation here.
Yes, if I think it might help drive home a point.
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Regardless of any laws, I find it unacceptable to take something that isn't yours. A neighbor's Internet service isn't yours. To me it's a matter of principle.
How do you know if it's the neighbor? Many areas have free open source wifi.


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