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Old 01-04-2013, 06:30 PM   #171
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If the owness is on me to implement security to protect myself from your piggybacking, if I'm concerned about it, does it not follow that the owness is on you to seek refuge in a Faraday cage to protect yourself from my EMI/RFI, if you are concerned about that?
I don't have any opinion on hiding from rampant wi-fi at all. My point was that you see question as obviously and clearly a black and white issue as if those of us who question the matter further are immoral society destroyers.


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Old 01-04-2013, 06:32 PM   #172
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Should I even bring up the fact that on my old laptop my device would roam and reconnect to the network with the most bars and least restrictions. Sometimes it would hop off my password protected network to jump on some local linksys network and then jump back. That wasnt my choice, it was the way the device was set up to work.
I mentioned that already. It was ignored I believe.


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Old 01-04-2013, 08:14 PM   #173
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You all will be happy to know Comcrap has restored my Internet. Only took them 2 days to do it. So now i am "legal" again.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:46 PM   #174
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If the owness is on me to implement security to protect myself from your piggybacking, if I'm concerned about it, does it not follow that the owness is on you to seek refuge in a Faraday cage to protect yourself from my EMI/RFI, if you are concerned about that?
Oh good lord..
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:48 PM   #175
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I mentioned that already. It was ignored I believe.
I think I commented on it, at least in a draft of something at some point.

Accidental/incidental connection to a wireless network is a very different scenario. That is probably true legally, and certainly true ethically.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that in that case, it is an open and shut ethical question. It's not "wrong" any more than any other accidental act is "wrong." To me, that means it's not wrong at all, but you are responsible for any injuries that result from it.

As a practical matter, that sort of automatic connecting behavior is a terrible configuration, for numerous reasons, but it's not exactly unethical if you're not doing it intentionally.
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Oh good lord..

Really? I think it's a better rebuttal than Airborneguy was expecting.
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As a practical matter, that sort of automatic connecting behavior is a terrible configuration, for numerous reasons, but it's not exactly unethical if you're not doing it intentionally.
When does it stop becoming unintentional if you know it's happening and can prevent it from happening? If one expects people to be smart enough to secure their wireless I think it's reasonable to expect they're smart enough to turn off the automatic connection function.
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Really? I think it's a better rebuttal than Airborneguy was expecting.
It wasn't. One is an active decision (or lack of) on your part in terms of securing your network. The other is a passive action that is subjected upon someone else, possibly without their awareness.

Of course you could always provide the rebuttal that if they were concerned about the radiation/rf signal saturation it it's responsibility to do the due diligence to see what they're being subjected to. That would beg the natural rebuttal that if you were concerned about people using your wireless it's your responsibility to do the due diligence to make sure your network has at least minimal security preventing random and unauthorized use.

Your basal argument is flawed, it would be like me playing HBO on a street facing tv in my garage and then expecting passerby's to make the moral decision not to look at it because it's my cable subscription, not theirs.
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Of course you could always provide the rebuttal that if they were concerned about the radiation/rf signal saturation it it's responsibility to do the due diligence to see what they're being subjected to. That would beg the natural rebuttal that if you were concerned about people using your wireless it's your responsibility to do the due diligence to make sure your network has at least minimal security preventing random and unauthorized use.
Which is exactly what I said.

As far as my base argument, that is unchanged; don't take what isn't yours. Simple.
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Before I continue, let me ask... is this an actual debate (discussion of opinions and facts to support a thesis) or has it become an invitation for an argument? Because frankly, I dont give a flying arse-buggery against a rolling doughnut about the actual "crime"...


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