What are the essential grains? I need 4-1 gallon SMASH recipies - Home Brew Forums
Register Now For Free!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing > What are the essential grains? I need 4-1 gallon SMASH recipies

Thread Tools
Old 12-06-2012, 06:15 AM   #1
Sep 2012
Des Moines, IA
Posts: 52
Liked 7 Times on 7 Posts

I am a beginning brewer with a few ciders , graffs, and beers under my belt. I have done a few of them partial mash and I am ready for some all grain. I just bottled 4-1 gal carboys (and 2-5 gal carboys) and I was thinking I would like try out 4-1 gallon all grain SMaSh (single malt and single hop) recipes with some "essential" tastes so I can start to figure out what would blend well together and make some wonderful original beer recipes eventually.

I definitely want to try some rye, so suggestions on that would be great. I'm not a huge hop head however drinking a gallon of hoppy beer wouldn't be an issue.

Anyway, if you were to put together 4 SMaSH recipes to teach a new homebrewer what is what, what would you brew?

Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 06:38 AM   #2
Jul 2012
Seattle, Washington
Posts: 2,106
Liked 187 Times on 160 Posts

I just finished off a Citra SMaSH...
5 gallon batch
12 lbs US 2-row
1 oz citra at 60
1 oz citra at 5
Safale 05 yeast
For sampling hops, I would pick 1 basic grain and 1 yeast type, then try different hops.
Same for grain or yeast... keep two the same, and experiment with the third.
Keg #1: Brown Bomber Bourbon/Oak Vanilla Porter
Keg #2: The Bollocks ESB
Keg #3 Lawnmower APA
Fermenter: Empty
Bottled: Mjolnir Mead, Lazy Daze Hefe.

Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 08:25 AM   #3
Jun 2012
San Jose, California
Posts: 47
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts

For 4 base malts you probably want to look at Domestic 2 Row, Pilsner, Munich and maybe Vienna.

And for hops. There are so many that I'd suggest you base your choice on what types of beer you're interested in. Cascade, East Kent Goldings, Saaz and Hallertauer MF would be 4 examples you'd find in tons of recipes.

Oh, and check out this great Basic Brewing podcast about a base malt experiment. I found this ep pretty informative.


Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2012, 01:39 PM   #4
Oct 2012
Knoxville, TN
Posts: 1,248
Liked 262 Times on 166 Posts

My 4 favorite bases are 2 row, Marris Otter, Munich, & Vienna
I'd probably throw out 2 row for a SMaSH recipe.
The 4 Hops I use most are CTZ, Cascade, Centennial, & Willamette
I moved into a new house in May and feel like I haven't brewed in about 15 years.

Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 05:28 PM   #5
Sep 2012
Des Moines, IA
Posts: 52
Liked 7 Times on 7 Posts

Thanks for the suggestions! I suppose I would want to use just a basic clean fermenting yeast for these so I am not comparing yeast flavors. Any suggestions on that? Nottingham, so4/s05?

While I could probably compare just the grains with the same hops and just the hops with the same grain and probably get a better idea of the tastes involved I think I would rather do 4 recipes with different grains and hops. I tend to really like German type beers so I am thinking for grains I want to go with

Munich, Vienna, Rye, and Marris otter.
I have used Hallertauer but in pretty small amounts so I want to try that out with a bit higher concentrations, along with Cascade, East Kent Goldings, and Saaz maybe?

Which hop would you pair with what grain?
Any suggestions on amounts for 1 gal batches and boil addition times?


Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 05:55 PM   #6
Nov 2011
golden, CO
Posts: 265
Liked 19 Times on 18 Posts

Sounds like a good idea, but to burst your bubble I would recommend what others say, change one variable and go from there. I would use just hallertau or perle at 60 min and 15 min and change the grains. But who am I to say anything, I've also been known to toss in multiple variables in my beer-experiments

If you're into german beer why not try out a pilsner instead of MO for more a 'helles' beer? And I might try out perle as one of my hops.

With what you have listed....Id do, MO to EKG, Vienna - Saaz/Hallertau, Rye- Im not sure maybe Hallertau but probably not cascade. And actually Id do Munich with Perle.

Good luck, Im awaiting your results already!

Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 08:25 PM   #7
Jan 2011
Sierra, Nevada
Posts: 4,042
Liked 440 Times on 351 Posts

Have any of you ever done an American SMaSH IPA with Munich, Rye, and Vienna? Seems like these could be a bit malty, heavy, out of place.

I'd agree with Domestic 2-row, Maris Otter, and Pilsener malt. But I think you should look into the different Canadian, Scottish, and English 2-rows as well... e.g. Optic, Pearl, Golden Promise, etc. Maybe even regular Wheat malt?

Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 08:33 PM   #8
tre9er's Avatar
Jan 2012
Lincoln, NE
Posts: 4,371
Liked 242 Times on 197 Posts

for Smash, I'd go Maris Otter or Pale Ale malt. They have more flavor than 2-row. Just pick a hop that you like the flavor/aroma. Citrus? Herbal? Floral?

My favorite single hop is Nugget, personally. Pale Ale Malt/Nugget is a helluva SMaSH to me.
Den Faaborg Bryggeri

Originally Posted by davekippen View Post
Open log Fermenting and gas-can secondary?? I am planning my next brew right now!!

Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 08:39 PM   #9
Aug 2012
minneapolis, minnesota
Posts: 1,488
Liked 130 Times on 117 Posts

I just did something similar and was planning on writing up a blog posting but have yet to do it so here's a brief rundown. I did four one gallon batches (sound familiar) but I my main goal was to compare grains so I used 05 yeast for all of them with a 60 and 15 minute addition of .25 ounces of EKG hops in every batch. For grain I used Maris Otter, Rahr 2-Row, Munich and Vienna. I think even that small amount of hops put me somewhere around 25-30 IBUs which was a tad high for comparing grains but each turned out well with MO being the best of the bunch.

If you really want to do Rye I would cheat and do it in combination with another malt. 30% gets you a good Rye flavor and would be good paired with MO or a American 2-Row.
I hate Walder Frey...

Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2012, 10:58 PM   #10
daksin's Avatar
Aug 2011
San Diego, CA
Posts: 4,617
Liked 358 Times on 312 Posts

Vienna/Northern Brewer
I can't be arsed to keep up this list of what's in the fermenters, but hey, check out the cool brewery I own!

twitter.com/2kidsbrewing .. facebook.com/2kidsbrewing .. 2kidsbrewing.com

Reply With Quote
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2 gallon recipies? mfitz24401 Recipes/Ingredients 1 07-13-2012 06:32 AM
Is crushing steeping grains essential? aidan Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 15 01-20-2011 07:45 PM
What grains can I SMaSH? masonsjax All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 36 10-18-2009 06:35 AM
15 Gallon SMaSH DeathBrewer Home Brewing Photo Forum 13 01-19-2009 05:49 PM
How few grains with 5 Gallon cooler MLT? cpbergie All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 18 03-14-2007 01:16 AM

Forum Jump