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Old 11-30-2012, 08:45 PM   #1
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Hi All,

I'm trying to figure out what the contactor in many(/all) of PJs diagrams is for.

If the SSR is turning on/off in conjunction with the PID, what is the purpose of the contactor?

I'm sure it is obvious, but I can't seem to wrap my mind around it.

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Old 11-30-2012, 08:59 PM   #2
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An SSR can leak current, can fail closed (on), and is only controlling one leg of your 240V circuit. The contactor between the SSR and the element is there so that when you set the switch controlling the contactor off, both legs to the element are truly off.

 
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:11 PM   #3
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Also, the SSR can switch the power off/on at a much higher rate than a contactor can. The two work in conjunction with each other.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:27 AM   #4
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OK, so it really is more of a fail safe or safety item. Not really required but foolish not to use one.

 
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:33 AM   #5
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OK, so it really is more of a fail safe or safety item. Not really required but foolish not to use one.
Without a contactor in a 240v system your PID would only be able to output between 50%-100% power; one leg would continually be Hot.

 
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:38 AM   #6
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I don't use one. I always make sure the element is under water before I switch it on just in case.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:45 AM   #7
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Without a contactor in a 240v system your PID would only be able to output between 50%-100% power; one leg would continually be Hot.
Not sure that matters from a heating standpoint. Even if only one wire is switched the element only has two states...on or off. 0% or 100%.

From a hazard standpoint it matters through. If only one leg is broken you still have 120V to ground or neutral on the element, potentially a shock hazard.
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:58 PM   #8
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Without a contactor in a 240v system your PID would only be able to output between 50%-100% power; one leg would continually be Hot.
I think you are misunderstanding 240v.

Current flows from one leg thru the element and thru the other leg. If the SSR is off there is no current flow and therefore no power. With the SSR off there is a 120v potential to ground at any point in the circuit which may be what you were thinking.

 
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:21 PM   #9
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OK, so it really is more of a fail safe or safety item. Not really required but foolish not to use one.
I'd add that when SSR's fail, they usually fail closed - allowing full current to flow through them - regardless of what the control circuit is doing. Since we only need to control 1 leg of a 240v system a contactor is a requirement to ensure the circuit is off.

Your life is more important than $10 your going to save by not putting in a contactor or the $50 you'll save by not buying the next larger sized panel.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:25 PM   #10
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You can also use the contactor as an emergency off for the entire system. The big red mushroom looking button on control panels is usually wired to the power in contactor.

If things go wrong, you depress the mushroom button and it kills all power instantly.
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