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Old 11-29-2012, 11:32 PM   #1
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Hay people. Just a little thing here. I went into my local home brew shop here in England and I over herd a convocation between two noobies and the hbs owner. They wanted to get into brewing and wanted to know more about the all grain process, the owner then began to tell the noobs that all grain takes 7 hours. It seemed like he was putting them off all grain. Do you think he was doing this just to make more money as extract is more expensive ?



 
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:52 PM   #2
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Partial mash didn't take me that long my 1st time. Maybe he thought they should get their feet wet first?


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Old 11-29-2012, 11:53 PM   #3
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Probably doing them a favor... Let them get processes down and learn about the basics before they dive into all grain, which could be overwhelming for a new home brewer...

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Hay people. Just a little thing here. I went into my local home brew shop here in England and I over herd a convocation between two noobies and the hbs owner. They wanted to get into brewing and wanted to know more about the all grain process, the owner then began to tell the noobs that all grain takes 7 hours. It seemed like he was putting them off all grain. Do you think he was doing this just to make more money as extract is more expensive ?

 
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:56 PM   #4
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I actually think it's ignorance. If the shop owner isn't an accomplished AG brewer, it can be very intimidating and so he probably believes it takes that long and is very difficult. Sometime you should ask him how many AG batches he does a month- I bet it's 0.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:56 PM   #5
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I think the owner didn't want them to jump straight into all grain. He just wanted them to get the extract process down before doing the mashing and all that stuff.

The owner might take 7 hours to do a batch. He shouldn't have tried to steer them away from all grain because of time, but more because of difficulty level.

Like Yooper was saying, the owner might not even do all grain. Maybe with his discounted price for extract that's just what he has time for.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:56 PM   #6
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If you haven't brewed before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it took 7 hours to get through a brew day. My first extract batch probably took close to that. Unless you have someone to learn from, I think it's a really good idea to start with a simpler process.

If he didn't qualify his statement, though, I think he's doing them a disservice.

 
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:09 AM   #7
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You're getting angry at someone who might be putting off a new brewer, while in the same post calling them noobs?

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Old 11-30-2012, 01:53 AM   #8
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There are 2 shops by me one brilliant well established shop that is certainly a pro gives you very little advice he's very up himself looks down at you alot and he decides if you are worthy of his knowledge!

But what knowledge you get is really good,

The 2nd is run by 2 ex doll dossers that just clearly like to drink, it's a complete DIY shop they pride themselves on different brew tasting a week many of times I've popped in and he's very quick to tell me they finished a barrel off and they are always on cans of carling, but if you can get past the smell of stale/fresh alcohol when your standing 2 ft away they are nice people friendly not up themselves give good snippets of advice but they don't brew from scratch they do ready made packs (as do I at the moment but am going to try in the new year mashing)

I'd rather go the the alcys they are cheaper and don't look down there nose at you where the well established one you feel uncomfortable to walk in there

 
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:35 AM   #9
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This can and does happen, probably more than we think. A LHBS near me that has been around for years always has a lady(the owners wife I think) at the counter, and she knows absolutely nothing about home brewing. He is only marginally better because they are wine people and not that interested in beer. I can understand this because if I had a HBS I would focus on beer instead of wine, but I would still take the time to learn about it, and would also make it even if I just gave it away to customers that wondered what a particular wine kit tasted like.

I'm not sure if it's just my area, but most of the HBS around here are very wine oriented, but carry beer items as well. Just don't ask too many beer questions, cause if they can't fascinate you with facts, they'll baffle you with bullsh!t.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:12 AM   #10
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I have 2 close to me and have had nothing but good experiences with both. One has only brewing supplies and the other has some decent/good craft beers for sale. I like the one that does only the HB because of the guys that run it and it is a little closer.


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