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Old 11-16-2012, 01:18 PM   #1
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Has anyone tried Fish Gelatin for fining beer in the keg vs Beef Gelatin in the keg???

Is there any flavour carryover and is one better than the other? I have found that there is a slight flavour carry over in beef gelatin.

Any advice is appreciated.

 
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Old 02-23-2016, 12:02 AM   #2
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So far my experiments with fish gelatin have not led to any success. I can't use beef as I have not been able to source a kosher version. I am considering trying to modify the technique and treat fish gelatin more like an isinglass clarifier and disperse it in cold acidified liquid.

 
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:16 PM   #3
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I'm not sure that any beer with gelatin would be helpful in a Kosher diet. Stricter interpretations would mean the beer cannot be consumed with dairy and is probably not Glatt.

For both of you, look into Biofine Clear. This is non-isinglass fining that works very well and is Reinheitsgebot, Kosher and Vegan compliant. This is due to the fact that it doesn't blend with the beer (i.e. it can be filtered out) and isn't an animal product.
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I'm not sure that any beer with gelatin would be helpful in a Kosher diet. Stricter interpretations would mean the beer cannot be consumed with dairy and is probably not Glatt.

For both of you, look into Biofine Clear. This is non-isinglass fining that works very well and is Reinheitsgebot, Kosher and Vegan compliant. This is due to the fact that it doesn't blend with the beer (i.e. it can be filtered out) and isn't an animal product.


Good to know someone else is familiar with some elements of Kosher. Gelatin is a tricky issue but within the Orthodox world, there are mainstream organizations that will permit its consumption with the caveat that the cattle that it is prepared from was slaughtered according to kosher law. The opinions maintain that it is not considered a meat product as it has been reduced to a chemical derivative. This is the reasoning behind the certification of the product Kolatin, which I managed to snag a couple of packets of. The reason Kolatin went out of business is due to the expensive nature of their operation. I'd prefer to find another good clarifier before dipping into this stock of now impossible to find product.

I have seen biofine clear, and in many people's documented experience it doesn't work as well as gelatin. Agar Agar would be the next option, clarity ferm is also available but expensive.

 
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I dont have any insight into the nature of kosher. But I personally cant speak very highly of Clarity Ferm (Brewers Clarex). IMHO, it may be better suited for reducing gluten than for enhancing clarity. Plus I didnt like the flavor impact in my trials. Nothing scientific other that splitting a 10G batch into 2 carboys and using Clarex in one and not the other. YMMV but I've chosen to scratch Clarex off my list of tricks.

 
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I wasn't aware of different forms of gelatin. I mean, it makes sense, but I always see it simply marketed as "gelatin". I've used Knox many times with great success (I'd assume it's beef based but I'm probably wrong). I've never heard of/tried fish gelatin (unless Knox is fish gelatin lol). I have, however, used isinglass many times. Isinglass and gelatin both work very similarly in terms of function but have their strengths and weaknesses in terms of actual usage, and each have different applications to me.
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I have seen biofine clear, and in many people's documented experience it doesn't work as well as gelatin. Agar Agar would be the next option, clarity ferm is also available but expensive.
My Biofine experience is that it clears a beer in about 4 days, at a dose of 1 ml per 2 liters.

Agar Agar is a very good substitute for gelatin, too. Clarity ferm is an enzyme, isn't it? I don't think it works the same as a fining.
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My Biofine experience is that it clears a beer in about 4 days, at a dose of 1 ml per 2 liters.

Agar Agar is a very good substitute for gelatin, too. Clarity ferm is an enzyme, isn't it? I don't think it works the same as a fining.
If you consider a fining something that doesn't carry to the finished beer but strips out haze, then yes, it is. But yes, it enzymatically breaks down protein haze, rather than using electric charge to bind and precipitate haze. But all finings work differently, so it's splitting hairs whether you could consider it a "fining" or not.

I've never used Biofine Clear (although the isinglass I use is labeled as Kerry Biofine, they're very different), but I have friends who swear by it. They add it when racking to the keg I believe.
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Agar Agar is a very good substitute for gelatin, too. Clarity ferm is an enzyme, isn't it? I don't think it works the same as a fining.
Do you have a good source and method for using Agar Agar, I think its about time I tried a serious substitute.

 
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Do you have a good source and method for using Agar Agar, I think its about time I tried a serious substitute.
I've found it at most Asian or Indian grocery stores.
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