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Old 11-04-2012, 11:36 AM   #21
MadGus
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Should have posted this before my previous one. Here's what I'm currently thinking about as design "requirements."

50A 240V spa panel to 50A range plug
5500W element in HLT and in BK
no back to back batches
2 or 3 PIDs and a timer (no BCS setup)

 
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:26 PM   #22
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Should have posted this before my previous one. Here's what I'm currently thinking about as design "requirements."

50A 240V spa panel to 50A range plug
5500W element in HLT and in BK
no back to back batches
2 or 3 PIDs and a timer (no BCS setup)
There are 2 diagrams on the page with this link that might be the design the you are after:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f170/2-p...ml#post4280031

I hope it helps you.

P-J

 
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:38 PM   #23
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You rock! Thanks, P-J.

 
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:19 PM   #24
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Amazing how much less stress punching holes in the second kettle causes versus the first!

Knocked out the BK in about two hours this afternoon. Only two holes, 30 minute leak test, and silicone around outside of heating element.

Ordered two stainless hinges from amazon today, so MLT is next!
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:11 PM   #25
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Gus - had no idea you were a brewer, Brian forwarded along to me. Let's catch up one of these days when I'm in Richmond.

Mike (your finance guy)

 
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:12 PM   #26
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Stained the stand this weekend, added all of the male disconnects to pumps, HLT and BK valves. Received sight glasses and silicone tubing from brewhardware.com (thanks, Bobby!), and will be installing those either this afternoon, or next weekend.

Pretty sure I've landed on buying a 2 PID 50A control panel kit from ebrewsupply.com (Ryan was very helpful with answering my questions about kit contents).

So... I'm still hoping to be up and running by Christmas. Waiting on my stainless hinges to arrive, so that I can begin to punch holes in the MLT and build the false bottom.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:44 PM   #27
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Man....that look nice! Keep up the great work.

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:12 PM   #28
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OK - I've placed the following order from Auberins.com:

3 1/16 DIN PID Temperature Controller (SSR control) Item # SYL-2352
3 Liquid tight RTD, 2 in, 1/4 NPT Deluxe Cable Item # PT100-L50NPT
2 40A SSR Item # MGR-1D4840
1 Easy Timer with Dual Settings Item # JSL-71

And am about ready to order the following kit from ebrewsupply.com:

8 - LEDs (2 white 220v, 2 blue 110v, 2 yellow 110v, 1 red 110v, 1 green 220v)
1 - Buzzer
1 - 15a 1-Pole DIN Rail Breaker
2 - 25a 2-Pole DIN Rail Breakers
1 - Emergency Stop locking push button with NC Contact
1 - Extra No contact for E-Stop
6 - 2-Way Switches with 1 NO Contact
1 - 3-Way Switch with 2 NO Contacts
1 - Key toggle Switch for panel on/off
4 - 40a Contactors w/ 110v Coils (1 ea for elements, 2 for control panel main power)
2 - 40a Solid State Relays for PID control of elements, includes heatsink
1 meter of DIN rail, cut in 1/3s
25 - Terminal Blocks for wire from 6-24 awg
8 - Terminal block anchoring ends
4 - Terminal block end covers
4 - Terminal block seperators
3 - Terminal block connecting bridge pieces
1 - Wiring diagram with our recommended design
1 - 16x16x8 encousure
2 - L5-15 twistlock outlets
2 - L6-30 twistlock outlets
1 - large heatsink (drilled & tapped)

So, with all of these parts, I'm thinking about the following design (P-J, would you be willing to work some of your wire diagram magic on this?)...

5500W element in HLT and in BK (3 way switch to choose which pot to put heat to)
2 40A contactors for main panel power supply (1 on each hot leg)
2 40A contactors for elements (1 for each element)
4 40A SSRs (1 for each leg of each element)
3 PIDs (SYL-2352s; MLT will be for temp monitoring only)
1 timer (JSL-71)

Haven't sourced the parts for this one last thing, but I really like the idea of Kal's safe start interlock as well...

Lastly, I will build a 6#/4 power wire for the control panel main power line (50A service with spa pack GFCI already run).

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:00 PM   #29
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Gus (don't be mad),

I read your post first thing this morning and am still trying to wrap my mind around the whole thing. (See highlighted text in your post.)

Please hold off on your order with ebrewsupply.com until I have (at least) a little understanding of your overall plan. I'm still trying to figure out the whole thing and wrap my mind around what you are trying to achieve.. The wiring plan from ebrewsupply.com is very difficult to follow and a little ???

(However if you are wanting to go for it. Oh well.)

P-J

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OK - I've placed the following order from Auberins.com:

3 1/16 DIN PID Temperature Controller (SSR control) Item # SYL-2352
3 Liquid tight RTD, 2 in, 1/4 NPT Deluxe Cable Item # PT100-L50NPT
2 40A SSR Item # MGR-1D4840
1 Easy Timer with Dual Settings Item # JSL-71

And am about ready to order the following kit from ebrewsupply.com:

8 - LEDs (2 white 220v, 2 blue 110v, 2 yellow 110v, 1 red 110v, 1 green 220v)
1 - Buzzer
1 - 15a 1-Pole DIN Rail Breaker
2 - 25a 2-Pole DIN Rail Breakers
1 - Emergency Stop locking push button with NC Contact
1 - Extra No contact for E-Stop
6 - 2-Way Switches with 1 NO Contact
1 - 3-Way Switch with 2 NO Contacts
1 - Key toggle Switch for panel on/off
4 - 40a Contactors w/ 110v Coils (1 ea for elements, 2 for control panel main power)
2 - 40a Solid State Relays for PID control of elements, includes heatsink
1 meter of DIN rail, cut in 1/3s
25 - Terminal Blocks for wire from 6-24 awg
8 - Terminal block anchoring ends
4 - Terminal block end covers
4 - Terminal block seperators
3 - Terminal block connecting bridge pieces
1 - Wiring diagram with our recommended design
1 - 16x16x8 encousure
2 - L5-15 twistlock outlets
2 - L6-30 twistlock outlets
1 - large heatsink (drilled & tapped)

So, with all of these parts, I'm thinking about the following design (P-J, would you be willing to work some of your wire diagram magic on this?)...

5500W element in HLT and in BK (3 way switch to choose which pot to put heat to)
2 40A contactors for main panel power supply (1 on each hot leg)
2 40A contactors for elements (1 for each element)
4 40A SSRs (1 for each leg of each element)
3 PIDs (SYL-2352s; MLT will be for temp monitoring only)
1 timer (JSL-71)

Haven't sourced the parts for this one last thing, but I really like the idea of Kal's safe start interlock as well...

Lastly, I will build a 6#/4 power wire for the control panel main power line (50A service with spa pack GFCI already run).

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:05 PM   #30
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P-J, I will hold off on the ebrewsupply order. MadGus came from my first all grain brew, which was a clone of Troeg's Mad Elf, btw. I brew it every year, and it's fantastic.

Appreciate and value your help thinking through this.
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Primary: Liberal Wheat 5.14
Secondary: Air
Bottle Conditioning: Gingerbread Stout 12.13
Kegged: IPA 3.14, Gluten Free Dos-Equis Clone 1.14
Commercial Tap: Legend Brown Ale
In Bottles: Hopslam, eSCB Holiday Ale 8.13

On Deck: Bourbon Cru 6.14

Gallons in 2014: 33

 
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