Not loving S-04... - Home Brew Forums
Register Now For Free!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Fermentation & Yeast > Not loving S-04...

Thread Tools
Old 10-26-2012, 05:34 AM   #1
Aug 2012
Posts: 307
Liked 45 Times on 37 Posts

So far I've brewed 2 beers with Safale S-04, and unlike it's cousin US-05, I'm not loving it. It seems to give a lot of fruity flavors, and not in a good way, even at low fermentation temps. I have a Hobgoblin clone that (immature, admittedly) tastes a bit like wine mixed with coriander.

I'm trying Danstar Windsor for my 10th and newest brew (Caribou Slobber), so it'll be interesting to compare and contrast.

So now I'm wondering - since US-05 and WLP001 are the same strain, is there an identical liquid version of S-04? That way I know what to avoid.


Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 06:21 AM   #2
Dec 2011
Astoria, Oregon
Posts: 608
Liked 35 Times on 28 Posts

I've used s-04 in a beer that worked great. However, in two gluten free batches I made for SWMBO, they tasted like funky wine. It's been weird. I've been super diligent about cleaning and sanitizing. Even brewed a variety of other beers with out the same taste. Trying nitty on a GF right now. We will see if there is a difference.

Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 06:24 AM   #3
Sep 2008
Visalia, CA
Posts: 4,110
Liked 126 Times on 102 Posts

It's a strain that a lot of brewers don't particularly enjoy -- I'm one of them. There are so many wonderful English strains out there to keep in your stable of rinsed yeasts that I'll pass forever on the 04. Now the 05 is a whole different matter
"Good people drink good beer." -HST

Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 10:04 AM   #4
Nov 2010
Parris Island, USA
Posts: 1,752
Liked 94 Times on 63 Posts

should be the same as Wyeast Whitbread I believe. I like S-04 for "mild" british ales. I think it struggles when starting to get into a old ale, RIS, or Barleywine style beers. Its a true British yeast so the fruit flavors are really part of that style.

Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 01:23 PM   #5
Aug 2008
, New York
Posts: 1,567
Liked 134 Times on 83 Posts

I've always found the Whitbread yeasts (s-04, wy1098/wlp007, wy1099) to have a distinctive 'twangy' flavor when fermented warm or under pitched. I can't stand the taste of the stuff and even when fermented properly, it is too boring for my tastes. There are so many excellent English yeasts out there, that nearly anything else would be an improvement over s-04.

Also, you may want to reconsider on the Windsor yeast. IMO, it's as bad as fermenting with bread yeast and it has some of the poorest attenuation and flocculation around. Makes decent ciders though.

Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 04:22 PM   #6
Feb 2010
New Berlin, Wisconsin
Posts: 457
Liked 8 Times on 8 Posts

I'm in the same boat as the rest of the guys. I've used it once, probably under-pitched a bit, but definitely got those twangy notes in an American Wheat.
Brewing: Amber Ale, Dunkel
Drinking: Sour Brown, Schlitz...
On Deck: Berliner Weisse, Spotted Cow Clone, CAP...
2016 Gallons Brewed: 10 :(
Gallons Brewed '11-'15: 319

Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 04:25 PM   #7
Jul 2012
Grand Rapids, Michigan
Posts: 888
Liked 84 Times on 77 Posts

I like S-04. You have to pay attention to your temps even more so than usual, though. It gets real strange apple tones if it gets in the high 60s during fermentation.

Did you let the temps get away from you?

Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 04:25 PM   #8
Obliviousbrew's Avatar
Feb 2012
Benidorm, Alicante/Spain
Posts: 1,567
Liked 230 Times on 161 Posts

ive used an had no problems with ester I fermented around 65F. for me it is a nice strain and floccs like a rock.

People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 04:27 PM   #9
tre9er's Avatar
Jan 2012
Lincoln, NE
Posts: 4,371
Liked 242 Times on 197 Posts

Yeah, surprised to see so many people not fond of S04. I know a lot of brewers that use it as their house yeast for everything from pales, IPA's to ESB's.
Den Faaborg Bryggeri

Originally Posted by davekippen View Post
Open log Fermenting and gas-can secondary?? I am planning my next brew right now!!

amandabab Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 04:36 PM   #10
beerloaf's Avatar
Feb 2011
Boise, Idaho
Posts: 619
Liked 18 Times on 18 Posts

There is one beer that I use it for often. I have 12 gal sitting in a fermentor right now. My Strawberry Blond which was based on Pete's Wicked Ale recipe. It goes very well with the fruity character. I have not used it for non-fruit beers yet. It is a beast of a fermenter with very quick fermentation and a dry finish. I have always tried to keep it below 68*F and had finished fermentations in well under 2 weeks. In reality probably done a in a few days but it never hurts to leave it longer to let it clean up after itself.

A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year.

Another recent study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of beer a year.

That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon.

Not bad.

Reply With Quote
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Loving lambics hunterlab Lambic & Wild Brewing 10 09-10-2012 09:14 PM
Loving the Pacman WilliamWS Fermentation & Yeast 0 10-22-2010 12:55 AM
Loving the Sweetwater IPA..... brewagentjay Commercial Brew Discussion 22 05-14-2010 04:14 AM

Forum Jump