Energizer substitute Question - Home Brew Forums
Home Brew Forums > Wine, Mead, Cider, Sake & Soda > Mead Forum > Energizer substitute Question
Cool Brewing Corny 5G & Mini Giveaway
Sign-up To NEW HBT Article Newsletter - Brewing Articles Direct To You!

Thread Tools
Old 10-19-2012, 04:16 PM   #1
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 44
Default Energizer substitute Question

Hey All,

Hope your meads are clearing and that explosions are at a minimum!

My brother is coming by tonight to help me bottle a berry/rhubarb mead, so I have an empty carboy! I'm planning on starting up this batch from StormtheCastle:

15 lbs of Honey
4 gallons of spring water
5 teaspoons of yeast nutrient
5 teaspoons of yeast energizer
2 packets of Lalvin 71b-1122 yeast (Sub with Red Star Champagne)

My problem is. My homebrew supply doesn't sell energizer. I picked up a Mead pack from them a little while ago, which contains Fermax yeast nutrient, acid blend, and tannin.

Should I skip adding the nutrient and energizer, and just throw in this pack instead?

Or, should I use the nutrient I have, and find a substitute for the energizer?

Or, should I wait, and try to pick up the energizer from another supplier?

Help is appreciated! Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

Primary: Amber Wheat Ale, Double Chocolate Oatmeal Stout
Secondary: Barkshack Gingermead
MimersMead is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 05:19 PM   #2
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: suburb of Louisville, KY
Posts: 1,738
Liked 150 Times on 135 Posts
Likes Given: 1


Does your LHBS sell diammonium phosphate (DAP)? If no, you can always order online and get it shipped in, and add ASAP. I never add energizer once I am past the 1/3 sugar break.

Do you know anyone locally making wine, even a winery? You would be shocked how many wineries help an amateur in need. Worse case scenario, use a complex B vitamin finely ground, added to hot water to make a slurry.

Motto: quel che sara sara
saramc is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 06:51 PM   #3
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: UK - South Coast.
Posts: 2,699
Liked 182 Times on 167 Posts
Likes Given: 30


No one seems to be able to settle with which is which, the terms being used interchangeably.

One should look like white crystals, which is likely pure DAP/di-ammonium phosphate.

The other being a light tan coloured powder. Which is a combined nutrient, containing stuff like yeast hulls, thiamin and other things as well as some DAP.

If you used only one, the tan coloured powder would be the best. I understand that's what Fermax is.......
"What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away". Tom Waits.

Oh, and here's some blog stuff!
fatbloke is offline
Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2012, 06:59 PM   #4
Golddiggie's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,943
Liked 491 Times on 427 Posts
Likes Given: 266


The 'yeast nutrient' I have (believe it's fermax but the bag is long since gone) is a mixture of fine powder and larger flecks/crystals. Not as large as DAP crystals mind you.

What's your total volume to be on this batch? You do realize that you'll be at over 5 gallons as the recipe stands. Right? Also, 71B-1122 is NOT a champagne strain. It's listed tolerance is 14% (by Lalvin). IF your target volume is 5 gallons, then 71B will do a fine job. IMO, a champagne yeast will ferment the batch to DRY, making you stabilize before back sweetening it (unless you want a bone dry mead).

You can add what you have for nutrient now, and order/get some more to add during the initial time frame (before the 1/3 break).
Hopping Tango Brewery

跟猴子比丟屎 ・ Gun HOE-tze bee DIO-se

On Tap: Caramel Ale, Mocha Porter II, MO SMaSH IPA
Waiting/Carbonating: 12.5% Wee Honey II, 8.9% Old Ale, English Brown Ale, Lickah ESB, Mocha Porter II
K2: Epic mead
K3: TripSix
On Deck: Caramel Ale
Mead [bottled]:Oaked Wildflower Traditional, Mocha Madness, Blackberry Melomel, maple wine
Golddiggie is offline
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question: Yeast Nutrient Substitute Arabrewer Cider Forum 14 04-16-2016 01:06 AM
Yeast substitute question duck911 Fermentation & Yeast 4 09-24-2012 02:06 AM
New to brewing. . .Substitute DME for LME question. jonuggs Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 7 12-24-2011 06:59 PM
Energizer/Nutrient Question ASamWitch Mead Forum 6 08-23-2011 09:21 PM
energizer question God Emporer BillyBrew General Techniques 4 06-12-2006 04:18 PM

Forum Jump