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Old 10-10-2012, 12:51 PM   #1
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Hi,

I put 30 liter of stout with 45 gram of french oak, I am thinking to age it for at least 3 month, but I have a question if I should leave the oak inside the secondary for 3 month or I should bottle after lets say 2 weeks and then age it?

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Old 10-10-2012, 01:01 PM   #2
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I've used the medium toast french oak in secondary before on my whiskely ale. 8 days on the oak was more than enough. You could just remove the oak bag (you did bag'em,didn't you?) & continue bulk aging if you wish. Oak flavor doesn't disssipate all that fast. Dito with burbon soaked oak.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:27 PM   #3
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actually I didn't bag'em...so you are saying that the oak chips have been extracted after 8 days and the more complex flavours will condense later?

 
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Basically,yes. The oak flavors will meld with the other flavors/aromas as the beer ages. The other complexities will devlope at the same time. Just get to the level of oaking you want,then remove them & continue on. I bag my oak chips for this reason,as well as not getting tonsil stickers in the bottles.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:29 PM   #5
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It's really about taste so after a week take a sample and see where it's at, If you desire more flavor than give it another week and so on....IMO it's not necessary to bag them either, I never have and have no experience with any problems.
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I feel it's better safe than sorry. Plus it makes clean up easier.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:38 PM   #7
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I have been told that it should sink and even it will settle the yeast better, about better be safe than sorry I can't stop thinking about a stupid mistake I did by soaking the oak in vodka to sanitize it, just after I transferred the stout I remembered the once I tried to sanitize the bottles with 70% alcohol ending up with spoiled batch.

 
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I've found that I like Hungarian oak cubes far better than any oak chips. Hungarian oak is not as harsh as French and not as 'in your face' as American oaks. IMO/IME cubes are also better since chips seem to produce just a single oak note in a brew, where cubes are more rounded (more notes/better).

I would start off by adding a smaller amount of oak into a brew, if you don't KNOW how much to add to get the flavor/character you want. You can easily add more, but it can take longer to age out/mellow something that's too much.

Also keep in mind that oak chips WILL change over time in a brew. You'll get one flavor character early on (more oak flavor/aroma) that will change as time passes. Within a couple of months it will change to more vanilla notes than oak. IME, oak cubes are far more flavor/aroma stable over time.
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I use starsan in a vinator on top of my bottle tree to sanitize right before filling. Quick,easy,& safe. After a couple months in bottles,mine still had plenty of oak flavor/aroma to go with that bit of vanilla.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:48 PM   #10
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yeah...now I use star san but I tried alcohol once, I think it didn't kill all the spores...anyway I am now concerned about spoil of this batch.
So...I will take your advice here and bottle after about two weeks and then age it without oak to make more complex flavor character.

 
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