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Old 09-29-2012, 05:09 AM   #11
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ok...talked to part part owner of a local brewery/restaurant owner in town and he said his idea of the trend that beer going was the "firkin" different philosophy than what I am used to for sure....

 
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:26 PM   #12
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There are many companies out there that make temperature-controlled cabinets that use heat / refrigeration to maintain temperatures to close tolerances and some can be programmed to adjust the temperatures on a time schedule. Some of these are large enough for fermenters (the homebrewer sizes anyway) but they are expensive! They're incubators used in laboratories....

 
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:13 AM   #13
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I didn't think about the similarities to incubation but you're right... I'm guessing that the very high cost of those units is due not only to the precision control, but also the high standards to which lab equipment must be built for various certifications.

Anyone else have feedback? Topher through high end kegerators out there. Any features you'd like to see in those? What about built in stirring capabilities in fermenters?

 
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:54 AM   #14
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I'm new to brewing and would seriously evaluate a purpose-built fermentation chamber if such a thing were available. Obviously, price is pretty important. Lots of people have modified fridges to do the job, but frankly I have too many hobbies and too little time... cruising CL for a fridge, and then cruising forums for advice on how to hack in a third party temperature controller is time that I would rather spend on a half dozen other things. So, I am willing to pay a price premium over the Craigslist special.

Anyway, on one end of the spectrum you have maybe a $100 investment, plus a lot of your time. On the other end, you could spend 20x as much on a Morebeer heated/cooled conical fermenter. I wish there were some options in the middle, because currently I have slightly more money than time or interest in building.

(That said, if someone has a link to a "buy this cheap fridge at Home Depot and turn it into a fermentation chamber in 30 minutes" hack, I am all ears... I just haven't stumbled on that page yet.)

Currently I bottle and have no interest in kegging or kegerators.

 
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:16 AM   #15
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...(That said, if someone has a link to a "buy this cheap fridge at Home Depot and turn it into a fermentation chamber in 30 minutes" hack, I am all ears... I just haven't stumbled on that page yet.)...
Just quickly look at any junk mail you get to see if they have any fridges/chest freezers on sale when they do buy one. Then order a prewired johnson/love controller.
Plug the controller into the wall, plug the fridge/freezer into the controller, stick the probe in a jar of water somewhere in the fridge/freezer with the lead just running out through the door rubber, Done.
Easy enough? hell I bet you could get the fridge/freezer and controller delivered!

 
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:25 AM   #16
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Well OK, that is pretty easy. I think I got sidetracked by the threads discussing modifying the thermostats in fridges or freezers, and those projects seemed kind of hacky... and not in a good way.

I did just now find a very reasonable looking project: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/viss...hamber-290663/

I am fine with building something--I just want to save my experimentation time for recipes, not gear!

 
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:01 PM   #17
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I kind of agree that a fermentation chamber probably isn't where people are hurting. What I've been thinking of is a piece of furniture kegarator like a buffet that can hold 2, 3 or 4 cornies in a line. One of the problems with keezers for me is that they are so deep. It makes it hard to have it in the house without it looking like there is a giant wooden freezer in your living room.

 
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:04 PM   #18
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ok...talked to part part owner of a local brewery/restaurant owner in town and he said his idea of the trend that beer going was the "firkin" different philosophy than what I am used to for sure....
IMO, beer is certainly not trending towards firkins. Firkin aged beer is typically very lightly carbonated, as they are not designed to hold pressure. Firkins and cask beer engines are more of a European thing, and I think a novelty at best in the US, NOT a trend.

I've been to plenty of firkin fests, and trust me, 75% of the people that go to firkin fests find out really quick that they don't like firkin/cask beer. Everyone tries each of the firkin and cask beers, then the line for the normal carbonated beers starts to get really long.

Americans like carbonated beer!!
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:34 PM   #19
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I think a furniture grade one corny keg deep kegerator is a GREAT IDEA! Maybe I can clarify and sharpen the concept a bit...

Somthing along the lines of a dinning room buffet table, sidebar server, or couch table are all good pieces of furniture to model it after. It should fit into dining room, den, living room layouts and decor styles, perhaps conceiling the dispensing faucets from open view too.

As was said earlier, current kegerators on the market are too big, esp. deep, and unsightly for use anywhere in the household except in a bar area. They are sized and designed to accomodate a full sized commercial Sankey key, but very very few homebrewers dispense in Sankey kegs. Instead homebrewers opt for dispensing either in bottles, which a wine cooler type device or normal fridge suit well, or much small dia. corny kegs readily available as cast offs from an obsolete delivery and dispensing method for soft drinks in food service.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:02 PM   #20
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I think a furniture grade one corny keg deep kegerator is a GREAT IDEA! Maybe I can clarify and sharpen the concept a bit...

Somthing along the lines of a dinning room buffet table, sidebar server, or couch table are all good pieces of furniture to model it after. It should fit into dining room, den, living room layouts and decor styles, perhaps conceiling the dispensing faucets from open view too.

As was said earlier, current kegerators on the market are too big, esp. deep, and unsightly for use anywhere in the household except in a bar area. They are sized and designed to accomodate a full sized commercial Sankey key, but very very few homebrewers dispense in Sankey kegs. Instead homebrewers opt for dispensing either in bottles, which a wine cooler type device or normal fridge suit well, or much small dia. corny kegs readily available as cast offs from an obsolete delivery and dispensing method for soft drinks in food service.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. If I were to do it, I'd probably make it so they could handle the tall sanke pony kegs. I don't think that would make it too deep.

If I were designing this, I'd probably make the base cabinet and include kits for adding towers if the customer wanted them. I'd also ensure there were no coils on the top so that one could easily add those towers. Some of the ceramic towers are quite attractive.

 
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