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Old 09-25-2012, 06:16 PM   #1
dwarven_stout
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Recipe Type: All Grain   
Yeast: ECY Bugfarm IV   
Yeast Starter: No   
Additional Yeast or Yeast Starter: None   
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5   
Original Gravity: 1.101   
Final Gravity: 1.006   
IBU: 24   
Boiling Time (Minutes): 90   
Color: Ruby brown   
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 6 months @ ~74 degrees   
Secondary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 6-12 months @ ~70 degrees   
Tasting Notes: Like Duchess de Bourgogne with huge cherry aroma and some brown sugar.   

Two years ago, I paid $19 for a 12.7oz bottle of Red Poppy. It was awesome.

Drinking that beer made me determined to brew something like it. I pumped the grain bill, starting from something like Saq's Westy 12 "New World" clone. I knew I'd never get the exact same beer as Red Poppy, but I think I like what I got even more than the inspiration. I might not ever enter this in a contest. I don't want to waste it.

Cuvée Mon Cherié
Original Gravity: 1.101 SG
Final Gravity: 1.006 SG
Alcohol by Vol: 12.48 %
Bitterness: 23.6 IBU
Est Color: 47.2 SRM (Calculated- actual color is much lighter. Maybe some color compounds dropped out during bulk aging?)

Ingredients:

Grain:

12.00 lb Belgian Pilsner
1.00 lb Aromatic Malt
1.00 lb Caramunich Malt
1.00 lb Munich Malt
1.00 lb Belgian Wheat Malt
0.34 lb Chocolate Malt
0.34 lb Special B Malt

Hops:

1.00 oz Northern Brewer [9.50 %] @ FWH (22.6 IBU)
1.00 oz Styrian Goldings [5.40 %] @ 2 min (1.0 IBU)

Other:

5.00 lb Sour Cherries (Montmorency) after primary gravity stabilizes
2.00 lb Dark Candi Syrup (homemade- sub D180) in secondary
1.00 qt Acetic Sour Stout at kegging

Yeast:

Bugfarm IV (East Coast Yeast #ECY001)


Mash Profile:

Mashed with 20qts for 90 min at 152. Sparged 16qts for 10min at 170.

Boil/chill/ferment:

90 min boil. Collected 5.75 gallons of 1.088 wort. Left outside to chill, adding 2min hop addition after temp dropped to 200. Pitched ECY Bugfarm IV at 78 degrees, fermented at 74 degrees.

Fermentation notes:

10 weeks: 1.012. Slight tartness, otherwise tastes like an undersweet belgian dark. No funk yet.
20 weeks: 1.008. Tart, some strawlike funk. Some fruity notes emerging- cherry and plum. Thin bubbly pellicle covering.
30 weeks: 1.007. Developing tart, rounded funk. Medium mouthfeel. Some fruit- cherry. Pellicle is powdery and light tan. Added 5lb sour cherries.
12 months: 1.007. Racked to clean carboy (with plenty of sludge). Added 1qt homemade dark candi syrup (about 2lbs). SG 1.020
14 months: 1.007. Medium-low body. Big sour cherry nose, some brown sugar. Light funk.
15 months: 1.006. Med-low body. Sour cherry, brown/burnt/nutty sugar. Spice (cinnamon, nutmeg, vanilla). Some funky straw. Slight tannic astringency in the finish.
18 months: 1.006. Kegged, set carb for 2.0 volumes. Blended a portion of pasteurized acetic sour stout to taste.
20 months: 1.006. Final bottling (12oz x18) with homemade "beer gun". No additional yeast or bottling sugar. Some coconut developing. Huge cherry aroma and flavor. Brown sugar.

Overall notes:

If using Wyeast/White Labs cultures, I would decrease base malt to yield a ~8% beer. I was surprised and pleased that the ECY culture tolerated 12%- I'm doubtful that another commercial souring blend would.

There's no need to blend acetic character into this beer- it's fine without it. If you want a touch of that character, you could use some good balsamic vinegar to taste.

This beer makes a GREAT blend with a hearty stout. I've run off some samples of 25% sour/75% bourbon barrel stout as well as 30% sour/70% hoppy RIS. Both were great.

Compliments:

"The highlight of the hundreds of beers at NHC 2012" - BBB poster

"Delicious! Very interesting." - Eric Salazar (New Belgium)

"World class" - local brewer
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:18 PM   #2
dwarven_stout
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Pictures:

Pellicle at 10 weeks:



Pellicle at 20 weeks (before adding cherries):



Racking off cherries at 52 weeks:



Racking at 52 weeks:



Perfection in a glass at 18 months:

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Old 09-25-2012, 06:24 PM   #3
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this looks inappropriately delicious, and your notes are excellent! thanks for sharing

 
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:01 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by neosapien View Post
this looks inappropriately delicious, and your notes are excellent! thanks for sharing
Hey, thanks! Frankly, this recipe is as much for bragging as anything. I'm not sure that I could recreate this beer, but I certainly plan to try. If anyone else feels like taking on a behemoth project like this, more power to them!
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:13 PM   #5
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So did you make an acetic sour stout for that addition?
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:12 PM   #6
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So did you make an acetic sour stout for that addition?
I had a friend "gift" me several gallons of an unintentionally soured stout. I pasteurized it by bringing it up to 190 and holding it there for 10min, and racked off into a jug with several ounces of corn sugar and a pitch of mixed brett (idea was to have the brett produce some esters from the acetic acid to add complexity, but I'm not sure that it did much). Now when I want some acetic character in a beer, I blend in from that jug.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:23 PM   #7
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+10 for patience

 
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:39 PM   #8
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Cool. I love long term beers.

 
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:21 PM   #9
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Did you pitch additional yeast for bottle conditioning?
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:06 PM   #10
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Did you pitch additional yeast for bottle conditioning?
Heh. Such a long post, and I totally forgot to include all the packaging details.

I just kegged this and carbed to 2.0 volumes. I have bottle conditioned sours with fresh yeast in the past and had spotty results. I didn't want anything to go wrong with a beer like this.
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