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Old 09-16-2012, 09:18 PM   #1
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We made a Klosch about 6 weeks ago. My apprentice likes the taste but to me it has a cidery flavor and smell. Is this the way a klosch should be. Also went to a bar the other day to test drive some of the new to me sour beers that some are raving about. Not for me. Couldnt wait to get to the next IIPA. Our all-grain set-up is just about on line. YEA!!!!!!


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Old 09-16-2012, 09:48 PM   #2
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It really depends on the yeast and fermentation conditions. I've gotten a subtle green apple character in each kolsch I've made but certainly nothing "cidery". For the record, I ferment with Wyeast 2565 at around 60F.


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Old 09-17-2012, 02:36 AM   #3
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Recently made a kolsch with the Wyeast, fermented at around 62F, and it's perfectly clean like a lager. Heck if I didn't know better I'd say it's a lager. Very crisp and clean with no unpleasant smells or flavors. Certainly nothing resembling cider.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:42 AM   #4
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I have used wlp029 a lot for kolsch, it throws a lot of apple when fermented too warm, if you can keep it below 65, it is super clean. I also recently used it in a brown and was very pleased with it. Kolsch is a tough style to brew well. Good luck...wnc
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:23 PM   #5
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Leapingbuddha - at what temp did you ferment this kolsch?
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:29 PM   #6
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Kolsch is a staple beer that I make all the time because my friends love it so much. I have never had a cidery taste in any of the batches I've done.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:38 PM   #7
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Is it particularly highly carbonated? Carbonic acid from overcarbonation could be described by some as an apple-y flavor and smell.
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I've never had a Klosch

Buuut, a Kolsch fermented too warm could turn a tad cidery, I suppose
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To me, cidery usually means the beer was taken off the yeast too soon. I have never used this yeast before, but when I use lager yeast or ferment ale yeast cold, I leave the beer on the yeast longer. This allows the yeast to "clean up" any off flavors from the fermentation.

As mentioned, it can also be from too high a fermentation temp with some yeasts or infection.

If the taste fades when the beer has been stored at room temp, it is most likely incomplete fermentation. If it gets worse, it in most likely infection.
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Originally Posted by SpeedYellow View Post
Recently made a kolsch with the Wyeast, fermented at around 62F, and it's perfectly clean like a lager. Heck if I didn't know better I'd say it's a lager. Very crisp and clean with no unpleasant smells or flavors. Certainly nothing resembling cider.
Same with me.... I brewed one three months ago and it is one of the best beers I have ever made.

I think it was two weeks in the fermentation chamber 60

2 days D-Rest at room tempo and then lagers at about 35

2 weeks lagering

All in buckets and then kegged.

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