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Old 09-16-2012, 05:09 AM   #21
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If cats had the personality of a dog they'd be cool.

Until then, whenever I see mine I just get excited to go huntin.
My cats fetch, guard the front door and occasionally growl when someone knocks on it and they beg for treats. So yeah if only.....

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Old 09-16-2012, 06:01 AM   #22
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I think cats have plenty of personality... It's oftentimes just not a good one. Now don't get me wrong, there are some cool cats out there. But most of the time when you get a couple cats together they are going to end up treating each other like crap half the day, hissing and scratching. Dogs fight too, sometimes even to the death, but more than likely they are just going to lope around sniffing each others business.

Ehhh....


Cats have personalities, so do dogs, just like humans.


That being said, a high stress situation will cause cats to be more confrontational with eachother. Same for dogs.

There is no one size fits all rule. We have 5 Wolf hybrids, and 4 dogs in addition to our borders (we run a bording/training facility/rescue) Typically there are on average 13-15 dogs here, socially housed. We also have 3 special needs cats and a rescued horse. If managed properly, they can get along. We do boarding training for extreme aggression and fear issues, the training involves a lot of immersion therapy for dogs that have issues...it always works. plug a difficult dog into a situation with multiple calm stable dogs, and the difficult dog will start to imprint after the calm and stable dogs.
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:43 AM   #23
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If I want a pet to go for a walk or wrestle with (without shredding my skin) I'll play with the dog. If I want an animal to pet in my lap (or for rodent control) I'll go for a cat.
I can do all that with my dog. Hell,papillons were bred for palatial rodent control. I got a picture of him on Santa's lap last Christmas... would take me a bit to find it though.

I'm kind of with bottlebomber on this. But it's not that I hate cats, I just like dogs better. And I'm kind of allergic to them... one swipe of their claws will have my hand itching like crazy.

Next time I think I'll get a dumber breed though. This dog is kind of selfish, and though he takes incredibly easily to tricks (taught him to roll over and play dead in a few minutes, had them down after just a couple tries), he won't do **** unless he knows there's something in it for him. If you don't have food or a treat, he'll look at you like he's totally stupid... pick a treat up and sometimes he'll roll over right away just to try and hurry it up. I got him to do tricks before I opened the door to let him out to pee, but that's kind of mean

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We keep the cat's food in the bathroom and they ALWAYS wait for one of us to go in there before eating.
My dog won't eat from his bowl unless I'm watching him. And he'll constantly check to make sure you're still there. Usually only right before bedtime.

 
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:59 PM   #24
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i got him to do tricks before i opened the door to let him out to pee, but that's kind of mean
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:24 PM   #25
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Hah. I just did it once to see if he was conditioned to only doing it in the presence of human food or dog treats. Nope, he just knows it's ****ing pointless. Papillons are supposedly one of the top 5 most intelligent breeds.

I don't torture him though. He falls asleep in the crook of my arm when I'm alone, and will often move to the foot of the bed a few hours later, and on the rare occasion he'll wake me up by pawing at my hand to let me know he needs to go. And even though he will hold it in for the better part of a day if he has to, I still get up and take him out for a short walk... coyotes make me uneasy to just let him outside on his own when the sun's not up. Even if he is almost triple the size of the breed standard (though in great shape), that's still only about 22lbs and he would probably CHASE a coyote if he saw one.

 
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Old 09-16-2012, 05:46 PM   #26
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on the rare occasion he'll wake me up by pawing at my hand to let me know he needs to go.
Oddly enough, this is the only instance he'll actively show he needs something. Otherwise, he'll just sit and wait patiently by the door if he needs to go out, or by his food and water bowls if he needs something that's respective bowl happens to be empty.

Actually, now that I think of it, he'll still paw at the door when he's outside and wants back in. And sometimes when he's bored he'll take his paws and literally move and rotate my hand into position to scratch his chin/chest/belly... and he doesn't easily give up if you keep taking your hand back. I think it's kind of funny, and it seems most people do when they see or experience it, but it annoys the (very) occasional guest. I guess some people just aren't "animal people", be it dogs, cats, birds, etc... those people suck, and are cordially invited to bite me.

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Old 09-16-2012, 06:06 PM   #27
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Oddly enough, this is the only instance he'll actively show he needs something. Otherwise, he'll just sit and wait patiently by the door if he needs to go out, or by his food and water bowls if he needs something that's respective bowl happens to be empty.

Actually, now that I think of it, he'll still paw at the door when he's outside and wants back in. And sometimes when he's bored he'll take his paws and literally move and rotate my hand into position to scratch his chin/chest/belly... and he doesn't easily give up if you keep taking your hand back. I think it's kind of funny, and it seems most people do when they see or experience it, but it annoys the (very) occasional guest. I guess some people just aren't "animal people", be it dogs, cats, birds, etc... those people suck, and are cordially invited to bite me.
We're definitely animal people here... We've just picked up a leopard gecko, a small fish tank, and a smaller fish tank with a fighting fish just in the last 2 weeks.

My wife's cat will sometimes wait by the food bowl when it's hungry. I sent her this pic at work a few weeks ago, with a caption indicating I had no intention of feeding her fat feline. She wasn't impressed. Bah, I fed the thing. (yeah I know, Iams is crap, but I don't want these things living a long time.)
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:20 PM   #28
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Hah. I also own two parrots... A Senegal and a lovebird. I used to have 2 lovebirds that were given to me, but they lived up to their name and produced 3 babies, and then a few months later 3 more. Got a nesting box, but since their cage was just a pretty small one, I made a hole in the side of it to mount it on the outside. After the second set within the same year, I realized it was very stressful for the mother and her body, so I sold the parents to a breeder who knew what she was doing and how to keep them healthy. Apparently, throwing two lovebirds in a cage and getting them to breed is very difficult, and she was impressed.

So I decided to keep 2 babies and just sell the rest. I didn't need the money, but I wanted to make sure the prospective owner was committed and could afford to take care of it. I also either brought the bird to their place or checked it out ahead of time to make sure it was a decent place to raise them. It might seem overboard and a hassle for the buyers, but I was attached to them and I wanted to make sure that they would be properly taken care of when no longer in my control. There's only one person who I refused, a roughly thirteen year old Indian kid (with his parents there) who already had a few birds, kept them in tiny cages in a mess on the floor, and tried to lowball me after agreeing to a price over the phone. I gave the kid a piece of my mind, in front of his parents, and left. As for the other buyers, I gave them tips on cages, setting up the cage environment, how to feed and take care of them, etc, and then followed up with a phone call a few weeks later (most of them called me first anyways) just to see how they were doing and how they had settled in. Many even sent me pictures, which I didn't request, but it was good to see how much they cared.

The two that I kept were from the second "litter". One of them was a runt that was noticeably smaller and had darker (not as bright) feathers. The other was my favorite as it had the most gentle, curious, and sociable personality of any bird I had. I noticed something wrong with the feathers of the runt after a few months, but though it was a nutritional thing and related to his birth as a runt. A few weeks later I discovered it did indeed have something to do with being a runt, but it turned out to be something more serious. It's sibling and cage mate was constantly biting the feathers off of him (a behavior enforced through natural selection, the healthy ones basically killing off the runt to prevent them from wasting valuable resources). I had a tough decision to make, but I sold the sibling and kept the runt.

It's now a healthy bird with an awesome personality. He gets let out of the cage for a bit almost every day, though my dog doesn't like him (or the senegal), and gets very jealous when I give it attention.

The Senegal is kind of an ******* to most people, but when he likes someone (usually females), he's like a cat and purs as he's being rubbed and bites when he's had enough. Definitely has the self-serving nature of a cat!

Most people, especially with smaller birds, put them in tiny cages and treat them pretty much like fish, never really interacting with them. Which is sad, because they need interaction, mental stimulation (eg toys), and enough space to exercise and fly around. It's almost like keeping a dog in a kennel all its life and never giving it any love and attention, or even things to keep itself busy with. It's pretty sad... birds can have just as much personality as cats or dogs, but most people don't know or care, letting them languish in a very confined and boring space, utterly destroying whatever personality they might have, letting them turn into vegetables, more or less, just eating, pooping, sleeping, and pretty much just standing in the same spot 24/7.

 
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:54 AM   #29
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Emjay, you continue to amaze me.

 
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:48 AM   #30
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Emjay, you continue to amaze me.
He's an interesting character isn't he..

 
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