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Old 09-08-2012, 02:25 PM   #1
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Default First Wort Hopping (FWH) - BIAB - when do you remove the hops?

I have read many articles here and elsewhere on first wort hopping (FWH).
My understanding is you use the flavor hops (typically added at 10-15 minutes remaining in the boil) at the beginning of sparging.

1. For traditional all grain setups, you place the hops in your kettle, and let them steep for 30+ minutes in the wort runnings.
At what temperature? 167? 152?


2. For BIAB this step doesn't exist.
So I wonder if you can place them in the grain, or in a hops bag, and mash them for 60 minutes. The hops will be exposed to 152 degree water.
Has anyone done this?


3. Do you remove these FW hops and discard them at the start of the boil?
Or do you then leave them in the one hour boil?


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Old 09-08-2012, 02:29 PM   #2
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1. You let them steep at whatever temp the runoff comes out at. It takes a while to drain and sparge, so they'll sit there for maybe an hour as the wort cools.

2. I wouldn't put them in while the grains are in there; I'd be afraid of the grains absorbing too much of the hop flavor. Put them in after you remove the grain bag and when you're getting ready to heat to boil.

3. I think most people leave them in for the duration of the boil. That's what I've done.


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As to the BIAB question....I throw the FWH addition into the wort after mashout and pulling the bag. They steep for however long it takes the wort to come to a boil and remain in the kettle for the duration.
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For the traditional set-up, I've let the sparge run through the FWH in a hop bag for the duration of the sparge. Temperature depends on what you've mashed in at, if you've done a mash-out etc. I don't think having a precise temperature its critical as long as its a typical mash temp/sparge temp. I've then removed the hop bag as the wort come to boil and then re-added for bittering hop addition. I've heard of holding the FWH for aroma/flavoring additions as well. I've also heard of holding FWH during heat to boil and total boil periods. I have not heard of discarding hops upon the boil.

There is a pretty decent thread for FWH in BIAB ---> http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/stee...g-biab-239082/
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For BIAB I just toss it in the pot with the first runnings and once I finish sparging with the bag I toss the first runnings with the hops into the main kettle and start the boil.
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For BIAB I just toss it in the pot with the first runnings and once I finish sparging with the bag I toss the first runnings with the hops into the main kettle and start the boil.
This is basically what I do (with pretty good results).

I do a sort of 2 vessel partial mash BIAB. I mash in the the bag (usually about 5-8 pounds of grain). I heat the balance of the water to mashout temps in my boil kettle. I remove the bag from the wort, and sit it in the mashout water in the kettle. I add the hops to the first mash and let them steep whilst I dunk the bag in the kettle. After this dunk sparge, I pour the contents of the mash tun (wort, hops and all) into the kettle and boil as usual.

sounds more complex than it is. I have done this a few times now, and have had great hop flavor.
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With BIAB , after mashout (at say 168) the hops wont have much time to sit in the wort, until it starts boiling.
From 168 - boiling takes how long? Call it 15 minutes? Less? More? 20 minutes?

I thought for FWH the hops needed to steep for 30-60 minutes, not 15.
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With BIAB , after mashout (at say 168) the hops wont have much time to sit in the wort, until it starts boiling.
From 168 - boiling takes how long? Call it 15 minutes? Less? More? 20 minutes?

I thought for FWH the hops needed to steep for 30-60 minutes, not 15.
From what I've read 15 minutes is sufficient. I think that's even the default on beersmith for FWH. It's not like you take the hops out at boiling. You steep, then boil, so they are in there for a long time. I'm sure some breweries are steeping for 30-60 minutes just by nature of having to fill such a large vessel and how long it takes to sparge. Not sure they are getting much more out of the longer steep but it would make for an interesting side-by-side comparison to find out.
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Not trying to pirate the thread but have a simple question on FWH. Will the hop flavor get boiled out? And will it add alot of bitterness?
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>>From what I've read 15 minutes is sufficient. I think that's even the default on beersmith for FWH. It's not like you take the hops out at boiling. You steep, then boil, so they are in there for a long time. I'm sure some breweries are steeping for 30-60 minutes just by nature of having to fill such a large vessel and how long it takes to sparge. Not sure they are getting much more out of the longer steep but it would make for an interesting side-by-side comparison to find out.

Where did you read this, I'd like to take a look!

For those who FWH, have any of you steeped for only 15 minutes? While 15 minutes is the max boil time for flavoring hops using traditional methods, is that really all thats needed?


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