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Old 11-11-2005, 09:33 PM   #1
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So I am very excited to have found y’all. I am brand new to home brewing and I have all kinds of questions. My first batch, Arsenal Beer Works Double Barrel Brown Ale (I will post the label when it’s completed), is in its first fermentation and is starting to slow a touch after ~3 days, which I expected. I can not wait to see what it turns into.

Anyway, on to the questions.

- Why the transfer to a second carboy for a second fermentation? If you are not adding anything to the mix and just moving it, couldn’t you have completed it in your primary fermenter?

- My understanding is that the beer should “Clear” in the second fermenter. What does that mean, what is “clearing” out of the beer?

- In the recipe kit for this Nut Brown Ale I am working on, it says 5-7 days in the primary, 5-7 days in the secondary, and at least 2 weeks in the bottles. I’ve read here about the 1-2-3 rule. If I went with that, would the extra week in the secondary fermenter have any negative effect on the beers flavor, or should I just stick with the directions for my first time out?

I guess that's it for now, I am sure that I will come up with more questions. Thanks for the help and I will grab a cold one while I continue to wait.

 
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:40 PM   #2
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The focculated yeast starts starving to death in the trub, so you either remove the trub or move the ale to a secondary. Clearing is just how it sounds, more yeast and some of the proteins fall out. And extra week won't hurt.
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:41 PM   #3
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- Why the transfer to a second carboy for a second fermentation? If you are not adding anything to the mix and just moving it, couldn’t you have completed it in your primary fermenter?

- My understanding is that the beer should “Clear” in the second fermenter. What does that mean, what is “clearing” out of the beer?

- In the recipe kit for this Nut Brown Ale I am working on, it says 5-7 days in the primary, 5-7 days in the secondary, and at least 2 weeks in the bottles. I’ve read here about the 1-2-3 rule. If I went with that, would the extra week in the secondary fermenter have any negative effect on the beers flavor, or should I just stick with the directions for my first time out?

I guess that's it for now, I am sure that I will come up with more questions. Thanks for the help and I will grab a cold one while I continue to wait.
welcome aboard!
1. some prefer (like myself) to rack to the secondary to allow beer to clear (allow additional suspended yeast or trub to fall out) to settle out. this also is a time for the beer to mature and allow the flavors to mellow and/or meld together for a smoother brew. some feel leaving the beer in the primary can give the beer off-flavors from setting on the trub (spent hops,yeast,ect) too long.
2. racking to secondary will not hurt, only help the brew. secondary is a homebrewers term. there is no fermentation going on unless it was racked from primary before the yeast finished doin' the business.


hope that helps, and the other guy's will have some good answers also.

good luck with the Brown Ale!
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:50 PM   #4
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Okay, here goes.

This is my education from the guys on here.

Week 1
Yeasty beasties eat the sugar in the wort and piss alcohol and fart CO2 (and a few other things). Most of them die and fall to the bottom with other gunk. At this stage the beer is still pretty raw.

You then move the beer off the "gunk" into Secondary,

Week 2 thru' 3
The beer with out the Gunk releases some of the harsher alcohols and stuff and other flavours blend and mellow out.
Then the beer is transfered "racked" again off any drop out gunk ready for priming then kegging or bottling.

Week 4 thru' 6
The bits of yeast left in the beer eat the priming sugar and fart C02 "Carbonation"
Flavour further chills and blends.

That's the 1,2,3 thing

After that the beer gets better, I've tasted my Brews at 6 weeks and they do not taste the same at 8 weeks.

I'm happy with 8 week brews.......

PS I've only been brewing 8 weeks.
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:04 PM   #5
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what everyone else said is right. a few things i would add- there is nothing wrong with just doing a week in the primary, priming and bottling and letting them sit for 2 weeks and then start drinking them. i'd even recomend that for your first one because as a new homebrewer its really freakin hard to wait 6 weeks to drink your first homebrew. also, this will let you see more directly the benefits of using the secondary, or especially the 1-2-3 method. first- although i personally dont mind a beer with lots of stuff (protein, hops, yeast, whatever) in it, it is definitely nice to have a clearer beer- some people even use finings to get really clear beer. second- the beer really is alive and will taste different each day, they most definitely get better the longer you wait, although those first few 5 gallons are hard to hold on to, once you realize how much better they get after conditioning a little longer, you'll make sure to let them sit a while. think of the secondary as a way of conditioning them in a place where you can't drink them at all. third- you can let your beer sit in the secondary for quite a while. people that are lazy about bottling and have lots of carboys will let them sit for up to a month or so. some styles of beer, like barleywine will take months in the secondary to completely ferment, and then you have to let them sit for like a year before theyre best to drink. my point is that you can do what you want, it'll probably be good no matter what method you use. but, your brew will be better if youre patient. Also, the longer you brew, and the more beer you get stockpiled, the more patient you will become, and you won't have to worry about it. 1-2-3 will come naturally.

 
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:11 PM   #6
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drengel is right...

I'm drinking one of my batch #5 brew that went straight from primary to bottle and it is a very nice beer. It's 3 weeks and a bit from brew day.
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Old 11-12-2005, 12:44 AM   #7
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i'd even recomend that for your first one because as a new homebrewer its really freakin hard to wait 6 weeks to drink your first homebrew.
Brew 10 Gallons then you can either bottle one carboy while the other is moved to a secondary. Then brew some more beer. That way you have some homebrew to drink while the other beers are fermenting/maturing and you can compare the secondaried half of your first batch to the stuff bottled early.

Once you have a few brews on the go and available for drinking, it's much easier to wait for your beer to age. It's the first batch or two that are the hardest!
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:00 AM   #8
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So, is that the Colt 1911? Good gun.
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:45 AM   #9
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I am yet to get a Colt, but I have a Kimber and a Para Ordnance 1911. Great guns indeed! I would love to get my hands on an original Colt 1911A1, but between my new brewing hobby and my other hobbies it will be a while!

 
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I am yet to get a Colt, but I have a Kimber and a Para Ordnance 1911. Great guns indeed! I would love to get my hands on an original Colt 1911A1, but between my new brewing hobby and my other hobbies it will be a while!

Well, you'll need something to protect all that homebrew...

Up here in Canada..well..what the hell's a gun? Of course I'm not really sure what that long heavy object wrapped in a packing blanket is in the closet...haha

Canada and its 1.5 BILLION $ (and climbing) gun registry fiasco... Would have been cheaper just to have bought all our guns!
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