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Old 09-06-2012, 02:13 AM   #1
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I will be doing a coopers stout kit in the next few days. I plan on using 1lb dark dme and 1kg of dextrose. Will that be to much sugar i.e. make it to dry. Also does anyone have experience with the yeast that comes with the kit, only other yeast I have on hand is some washed us-05.


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Old 09-06-2012, 03:04 AM   #2
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I wouldn't use any dextrose except for bottling carbonation. I would use only malt extract, especially for a stout. Dextrose lightens the taste and I think you want a rich malty taste in a stout. So invest the extra money in a kg of malt extract and the beer will taste way better.
I don't know anything about the yeast you have. One thing I can say is that my friend and I brewed a Dark Brown Ale recently. He splurged for the liquid ale yeast and his tasted far better.


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You can use the 7g cooper's ale yeast,but re-hydrate it in 2C of boiled & cooled water for 20-30 minutes before pitching. But midwest & NB both have the cooper's ale yeast in 15g packets I like better & still re-hydrated. US-05 will act about the same,but taste cleaner (no fruity esters).
I'd use all plain DME as well,it comes out better flavor-wise.
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i agree with others, avoid the dextrose. In my last coopers stout kit, I used the kit with 2lbs for Dark DME and 1lb of light brown sugar. Next time, I plan to use molasses instead of the brown sugar. I didn't have any on hand at the time of brewing so I used the sugar instead. It came out good, but a bit too dry.
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Matter of fact,I was going to suggest using 2lbs plain dark DME & one pound plain amber DME with the cooper's stout can. The amber will smooth it out just a tad. And still around 5.5%.
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Alright that is all very good to know, I'm definitely going to be using my washed us-05, unfortunately DME is about $8 a pound here and I'm not putting that much more into this cheap coopers kit. How is brown sugar in comparison to dextrose and table sugar what kind of flavor profiles does it leave?
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Iy'll add to the flavor complexity a little bit,but not much. Most of it will still ferment out. DME is the better choice.
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Alright that is all very good to know, I'm definitely going to be using my washed us-05, unfortunately DME is about $8 a pound here and I'm not putting that much more into this cheap coopers kit. How is brown sugar in comparison to dextrose and table sugar what kind of flavor profiles does it leave?
I hear you on the price of malt extract. Locally I have 3 options (all prices Canadian):

1.5kg can of Black Rock LME - $20.55
0.5kg bag of Munton's DME - $9.20
1kg bag of Munton's Beer Kit Enhancer (50%DME, 50% dextrose) - $9.20

The last time I did a Cooper's stout I added a bag of Beer Kit enhancer and a bag of DME. It turned out pretty good and while I don't remember what the ABV was I'm pretty sure it was above 5% (this was a 23 litre batch).

My current batch is a mini-mash (my first) that uses a Cooper's stout kit for the LME and bittering. I mashed 5lbs of 2 row and some specialty grain BIAB style and then did a 60 minute boil without any hop additions. In the last 10 minutes I added the (pre-bittered) stout kit. I'm a week away from bottling and a month away from sampling but I really hope this works out. It was more time consuming and involved but it was fun and saved me a few bucks eventhough I think I used more grain than I needed to make up for the amount of malt extract I would have been willing to buy.
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Yeah I agree the Canadian prices for some brew supplies is absolutely ridiculous. If I used a coopers kit and 1kg of DME, I would just be better off spending the same money and getting a Festa Brew Kit which is all grain wort in a bag and comes with good yeast such as US-05. That being said I really should start getting some grains and doing BIAB partial mashes all a matter of time and money I guess. Main reason I'm doing these kits right now is to just get a cheap pipe line built the summer had a real heavy toll on my stock
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Wow those prices are crazy. I live in Halifax (Nova Scotia, Canada) and 3 LB containers of Liquid malt extract only costs 8$ or 5.99 a KG in bulk at the local brew shop. I dont know why prices are like that where you are at. I have made the coopers stout kit many times -- Last time I used 3LBS of dark liquid malt extract and 1 pound of dextrose and turned out really nice. I have used brown sugar before in the cooper dark ale turned out nice. As for the yeast I have always used the yeast under the cap -- I never rehydrate it just sprinkle er right on top. The ole Coopers yest has never let me down yet.


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