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Old 11-12-2005, 01:17 AM   #21
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I use promash and love it. My only complaint is that they don't update their grain database and hop selections. There are some new hops and promash doesn't list them . I just use one of the existing hops and change the AAU
values. I just make a note in the session that I did that and record the actual Hop variety.

 
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Old 11-12-2005, 01:39 AM   #22
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you can add any type of grain, hop, yeast, etc. that you want with the full version. you just use the tabs at the bottom of the main screen and add what you want. its super easy to use. once you have an inventory built up, you can make it so that the only thing that shows up is what you have in stock.
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Old 11-12-2005, 01:59 AM   #23
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I feel like an idiot. Never saw that and have the Full version. Thanks JustBrewIt!

 
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:18 AM   #24
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I feel like an idiot. Never saw that and have the Full version. Thanks JustBrewIt!
See what I mean by "it almost has too many features"?
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:35 AM   #25
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I'm desigining a recipe on it for tomorow's brew day and found out something.

There is a drastic difference in IBU calculations between the different hop calculators. Which one is the standard.

When I was going through the tutorial it had me set system setting Hop calculations to Garetz. I worked up a recipe ballenced the hops to style guidelines. I noticed from another promash recipe that I was using as a guide that they had used Rager. I swithced it ot match and my IBU jumped from 23.8 to 36.4 just by changeing the calculator style.

Now, style guidelines are 20-30 IBU, Which calculator style do I use?
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:49 AM   #26
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I'm desigining a recipe on it for tomorow's brew day and found out something.

There is a drastic difference in IBU calculations between the different hop calculators. Which one is the standard.

When I was going through the tutorial it had me set system setting Hop calculations to Garetz. I worked up a recipe ballenced the hops to style guidelines. I noticed from another promash recipe that I was using as a guide that they had used Rager. I swithced it ot match and my IBU jumped from 23.8 to 36.4 just by changeing the calculator style.

Now, style guidelines are 20-30 IBU, Which calculator style do I use?
This is from the Promash website:

"Many brewers ask us for our recommendation as to which Hop Formula is best for them, here is our opinion (please note this is an opinion only):

Brewers performing Full Wort Boils: Tinseth
Brewers performing Concentrated Boils: Rager"

I don't know what Garetz would be, but this might be helpful. I know I'll be checking mine.

GOOD question bro.
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Old 11-12-2005, 03:52 AM   #27
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I've been wondering the same thing. I did a little research online and what I have seen listed a few times is:

(1) Concentrated Wort Boil (boil is smaller than your batch size): use Rager.

(2) Full boil: use Tinseth. With Tinseth the conentration factor is determined by:
Concentration Factor = (preboil volume / postboil volume)

Do NOT use Tinseth for Concentrated wort boil.

I believe they state the same thing on Promash's FAQ.


This sound about right?
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Old 11-12-2005, 04:01 AM   #28
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Thanks guys, I'll work with tinseth for now as I do full boils.
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Old 11-12-2005, 04:02 AM   #29
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Check out the help file when you are in the hop settings to double check they way they set the conentration factor.
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Old 11-12-2005, 04:10 AM   #30
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Hop IBU Formula By:

A number of different IBU calculation formulas have been incorporated into ProMash. You can select the default method you wish ProMash to utilize here.


Rager:

IBU formula published by Zymurgy Magazine. Vol. 13, No. 4. Special Hops Issue 1990.

Garetz:

Author of 'Using Hops'. Published 1994 by 'Hop Tech'.

Tinseth:

IBU formula published at http://realbeer.com

Note: If you change to Tinseth's formula, a small dialog will immediately pop up asking you for the concentration factor. Tinseth's formula works of the Average volume of the wort, and this concentration factor will allow ProMash to determine that for you automatically. The basic formula for the concentration factor is ( preboil volume / postboil volume ). So, if you normally start out with 8 gallons of wort, and boil that down to 6, the concentration factor would be 8 / 6, or 1.30. Once this factor is set ProMash will then automatically calculate the Average Wort gravity to determine IBU's.

Generic:

Based on the Basic Whole Hop Utilization Table (table 9-3) from 'Designing Great Beers', by Ray Daniels, published in 1996 by Brewers Publications. Note that for pellet hops, Daniels presents a separate utilization table. However, ProMash uses a default scalar for increased utilization in pellet hops, and differences may arise (when using pellet hops) because of this. If you choose to use the Generic equation for hop IBU calculation's and also use pellet hops, we recommend setting the default increase in utilization for pellet hops to 8%.

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