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Old 02-18-2013, 07:23 PM   #21
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yeah - the scores can be strange - it is more about the head-to-head when they start comparing beers from different flights directly with each other. A good example - had beers in KC Biermeister comp. this weekend. Mild scored 37, NE Brown scored 39 - But my Mild finished first and the NE Brown was second in the same category. Also.... my oktoberfest scored 43 - and placed 3rd.
Some judges tend to score high across the board, some score low across the board. As long as they are consistent, and there is a head to head comparison, that is the important thing.

 
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:37 PM   #22
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My most recent result was pretty strange - entered a CAP at the Upper Mississippi Mashout, which ended up scoring a 33.5, making the mini-BOS but not placing. The strange part is how much the 2 judges disagreed - officially, the two scores were 37 and 30, but while Judge #1 raved and the only flaw he mentioned was a hop flavor slighly out of style, judge #2 absolutely hammered it and basically said it was infected and he couldn't get past the off flavors. The scores on both sheets were both erased and re-written, and looking closely you could tell that the original scores were 40 and 20! Amazed it even made it to the mini BOS, with one judge thinking it was a 20 beer...

 
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:42 PM   #23
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usually one judge is high(er) ranking and one low(er)ranking - generally pay the most attention to the remarks of the more experienced judge.

 
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:08 PM   #24
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usually one judge is high(er) ranking and one low(er)ranking - generally pay the most attention to the remarks of the more experienced judge.
This is very true... a few years ago I had a Pilsner take a best of show with a 33. It was an ale dominated comp and most of the experienced judges were working on the large ale flights. There were only 4 entries including mine that were in my flight and my pils came out on top with a 33 average. Gordon Strong was one of the BOS judges and said my beer was nearly flawless and he would have put it around a 45... Point being don't place too much emphasis on the numbers and remember that everyone has different tastes and perceptions.

 
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:36 PM   #25
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Point being don't place too much emphasis on the numbers and remember that everyone has different tastes and perceptions.
Amen.

Also, listen to the more experienced judges. I judged with a few novice judges this past weekend - one of which hated the American Barleywine that I loved (because it had a slightly muted aroma). I know are scores were far apart, but I conceded 2 points so that he would come up 8 points. I also was insistent that that beer go to the mini-BOS. That beer took first place in the category.

Take away?? Listen to the more experience score sheet. Points ain't everything. Medals ain't everything. The feedback is what can make you a better brewer. And yes, you need to enter the same beer in multiple competitions to get a good amount of feedback.

BTW, Kevin (Braufessor), I had your Vitamin C in Mini-BOS. It was truly the best APA I've had. You mind sharing the recipe with me?
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:29 PM   #26
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Amen.

BTW, Kevin (Braufessor), I had your Vitamin C in Mini-BOS. It was truly the best APA I've had. You mind sharing the recipe with me?
Awesome -Thanks for letting me know! Glad you liked it. Let me get the recipe in order and I will shoot you a pm in bit.

 
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:54 AM   #27
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Gueuze: 39, 2nd in Sours
Lambic: 37, 3rd in Sours
Even Older Lambic: 40, no hardware
Dry Stout: 39 (a GMIII gave it a 41! sweet!), no hardware
Belgian Golden Strong: 40, no hardware
ESB: 37, 2nd in English Pale Ales
Saison-Brett: 30, obvi no hardware
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Your cellar must look like a pre-war toxic waste site

 
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:28 PM   #28
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Did you place with a 39?
nope. i made it to the finalist table but didn't make the top 3. i had the beer that took second place and it was definitely better than mine, so i'm happy with how things turned out. it was a case of my beer conforming to style better, but the others tasting better.

regardless, i'm very happy with my result.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:38 PM   #29
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nope. i made it to the finalist table but didn't make the top 3. i had the beer that took second place and it was definitely better than mine, so i'm happy with how things turned out. it was a case of my beer conforming to style better, but the others tasting better.

regardless, i'm very happy with my result.
I find the BJCP judging to be highly subjective. I had a tripel rank a 42 in the Best Florida Beer championship and not make it past the first round, and have that same beer given a 34 in a local club comp and medal silver.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:39 PM   #30
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Your cellar must look like a pre-war toxic waste site
Maybe it does and maybe it does.

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I find the BJCP judging to be highly subjective.
Well, it is a bunch of people drinking beer... it's inherently subjective.
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