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Old 01-28-2014, 05:07 AM   #11
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Thanks for the clarification. I was leaning toward adding both, with about a 2:1 ratio of CaCl to gypsum... Might have to reconsider that now!

Also, I'm toying with the idea of a single decoction as well. Never done one. You said you took it out at about forty minutes, and then brought to a boil. Did you wait and put it back in toward the end, and did that raise the total mash temp up for a mash out? You also mentioned keeping the mash at 154 for 60 minutes, so just wondering how you did that with the decoction...

Thanks for the info!
Do only Gypsum, you will love it. Try mixing on a second batch. Don't have to do decoction. At boil, draw off a half gallon of wort and hard boil until it is almost syrup and add back to end of boil. Boil wort 90 minutes and make sure you have a lot of healthy yeast.



 
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:21 PM   #12
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PS. FatsSchindee, I mixed Gypsum and Calcium Chloride similar to your ratio a few brews ago. It didn't work.


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Old 01-31-2014, 12:05 AM   #13
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PS. FatsSchindee, I mixed Gypsum and Calcium Chloride similar to your ratio a few brews ago. It didn't work.


Cheers,

I am doing Gypsum Epsom CaCl with an extract and RO (Ca 74 / Mg 5 / Cl 81 / SO4 88)

What types of concentrations were you using ?

 
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Old 02-01-2014, 04:09 PM   #14
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Epsom salt will dull the brightness. Epsom is great with dark beers, but not a light beer. Go get a light beer and drop some in and try it. I don't think it's appropriate for the style.
The CaCl is great for light beers, however not a bock. Your trying to get a dryness that only Gypsum can obtain. When you use CaCl you get a very soft "wet" feel, which is opposite of Gypsum.
I've done Gypsum and CaCl multiple times and concluded that Gypsum alone will give you the dryness. Regarding concentrations? I use 3 grams of Gypsum per 5-6 gallons and it's perfect (don't have the software to calculate it, not sure I care). Stay away from the others. After your done fermenting and have a glass of beer in front of you, that is the time to experiment with adding Epsom and CaCl to see if your idea works or not.

Trust me on this, I've done many versions using different concentrations and Gypsum alone won.


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Old 02-01-2014, 04:23 PM   #15
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Nice

This water was RODI and was for a NB Irish red ale extract brewed as a lager.

Seems like it's more critical with mash/all grain?

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Old 02-01-2014, 06:37 PM   #16
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Nice

This water was RODI and was for a NB Irish red ale extract brewed as a lager.

Seems like it's more critical with mash/all grain?

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Your water profile makes sense for the Irish Red Ale. The Helles Bock is about simplicity KISS (keep it simple stupid), you don't want adjuncts or crystal grains for this style. It's really a great beer when done correctly.


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Old 06-11-2015, 06:00 AM   #17
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You can read my trials and errors on my blog. Look for "Helles Bock - My Quest for the Holy Grail of Beer."
Any new updates on your Spaten Helles Bock Clone?

 
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Old 06-11-2015, 02:17 PM   #18
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No, I've been busy with son's baseball season. Will try this summer.



 
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