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Old 05-06-2013, 12:25 PM   #2321
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I've heard a number of people, mostly young microbrew knowitalls and homebrewers, claim that hops are in the same family as, and in many ways similar to, that other popular budding plant.
I hate know-it-alls as much as the next guy but...

Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots
(unranked): Rosids
Order: Rosales
Family: Cannabaceae
Genus: Humulus
Species: H. lupulus


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Old 05-06-2013, 12:52 PM   #2322
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I've heard a number of people, mostly young microbrew knowitalls and homebrewers, claim that hops are in the same family as, and in many ways similar to, that other popular budding plant.
The worse are those know it alls that really do know more than you


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Old 05-06-2013, 01:26 PM   #2323
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It is. A resiny, psychoactive (though far less so) in the plant family Cannabaceae.
Not only that, this family only has two members. That is not very common. Go up one level to the Order, and it is related to Nettles (and mulberrries, and elms)! It is not in Rosales - at least this year. The taxonomists keep switching things up.

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It is. A resiny, psychoactive (though far less so) in the plant family Cannabaceae.
And bitter... yuck! Can't stand 'em. Gimme malt!
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I hate know-it-alls as much as the next guy but...

Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots
(unranked): Rosids
Order: Rosales
Family: Cannabaceae
Genus: Humulus
Species: H. lupulus
+1 As a scientist, I can't argue with facts.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:41 PM   #2326
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Not only that, this family only has two members. That is not very common. Go up one level to the Order, and it is related to Nettles (and mulberrries, and elms)! It is not in Rosales - at least this year. The taxonomists keep switching things up.

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That seems outdated, which is surprising from the USDA (I think). It used to be true until pretty recently, but as far as I'm aware, a third, much larger genus has been moved into the family... Celtis aka hackberries.
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Interesting things I've heard about beer:

It seems that a large portion of the public considers Guinness, in its various forms, to be a very strong beer, even "the strongest beer we serve." Granted it's nearly jet black, and your average American (at least Californian) beer drinker probably doesn't drink it regularly, but it seems very weak and thin to me. Wiki says it ranges from 4-5% ABV in the US, but it drinks surprisingly like water IMO. I'm sure some of that has to do with the nitrogen carb. If I'm looking for a strong beer, I'll order (or make) an oatmeal or double chocolate stout, or a scotch ale, or maybe a St. Bernardus Abt 12. (This ought to spark some interesting comments.)
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I hate know-it-alls as much as the next guy but...

Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots
(unranked): Rosids
Order: Rosales
Family: Cannabaceae
Genus: Humulus
Species: H. lupulus
The proper way to start that reply is "Well actually..."
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The proper way to start that reply is "Well actually..."
I think we've actually had a "well actually..." that was justified...is that a first in this thread?
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That seems outdated, which is surprising from the USDA (I think). It used to be true until pretty recently, but as far as I'm aware, a third, much larger genus has been moved into the family... Celtis aka hackberries.
Even in Forestry school we didn't bother much with learning Orders. Plant classification is a dynamic science and the more we learn about it the more we realize how little we know. I leave it up to those who are in the proper pay grade.


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